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Sink or Swim with Bruce Carrington: Maybe The Most Avoided Man in Boxing
Bruce "Shu Shu" Carrington: Chasing Champions, Making Waves
Fresh off a dominant unanimous decision win in his first 12-round fight, Bruce “Shu Shu” Carrington joins The Spar-Inn to talk shutting out critics, chasing elusive champions, and taking his conditioning to new depths—literally—with underwater training.
- Responds to Tim Bradley’s criticism despite his shutout performance
- Opens up about failed negotiations with all four champions in his division
- Details his extreme deep-water training regimen
- Weighs in on the Top Rank–ESPN split and what it means for his career
- Reveals his dream venue to headline next
- Predicts the Canelo vs. Crawford superfight outcome
- Sends a message to the New York fight scene—and to the fighters dodging him
It's time for the main event. It's the Sparring Podcast.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's a knockout. We are here a little early. We're expecting a third guest, Bruce Shushu Carrington. You may have heard of him.
Speaker 3:You probably did hear of him.
Speaker 2:If you didn't hear of him, you're not into boxing Bear with us here. We are going to do something a little different. We're going to go live first, and then he's going to pop in, hopefully. If not, we're just going to yap. We're going to talk about the Cowboys real quick, though a little different.
Speaker 1:Why? Why? Why man? Why why we looking horrible early little, uh it was. It was yapping about joe milton. That boy did not fucking throw a good pass or game.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, I gotta say something, something about when football comes back. Man, it's like the season's starting to change already. The nights are getting cooler out here in new york. It it is a. It is a good feeling the jets did good I know I don't put this preseason. Who cares like? I saw some. What's his name?
Speaker 2:um sanders who sanders, uh, I don't want to say his name wrong, but deon's kid the qb, oh, oh, oh, shador, yeah, yeah, uh, good. But then I was like, damn, he did do good, oh my goodness. But then someone posted one thing and it was like, yeah, he did really good against everybody that's going to be in the arena football league next year, yeah. And I was like, ah, but that's what I mean. That goes for every team preseason man. Like the's almost impossible. They say less than 1%. I guess.
Speaker 1:So why are they hating? I don't know.
Speaker 2:But I'm just saying Whatever Are you on the YouTube?
Speaker 1:Willie, I need the link. I'm trying to look if the live is working. I've seen it.
Speaker 2:Again, y'all bear with us. We are waiting for our very special guest. He uh resides in las vegas. Um, he said he will pop on at three. It is 257. We're doing a little different, me and willie, or willie and I are just going to chop it up first. And yeah, that's where we're at. Uh, did you bet on preseason, willie?
Speaker 1:yeah, baseball. So now, if I had some football game um some of them boss, I forgot who lost.
Speaker 2:Falcons loss you bet on preseason yeah damn, I thought you weren't betting.
Speaker 1:I bet it on preseason. I bet it on the browns to win too. Jesus.
Speaker 2:Issues bro. Oh man, what else is new? Man? What's going on? We got to chat. We got to wait for Bruce. We're live, bro. So this is on the air. I'm not going to edit this out. This is going to go through the podcast.
Speaker 1:You're having a barbecue, yeah.
Speaker 2:What the fight's next week we got For Nick Ball. Ray Ford's fighting Nick.
Speaker 1:Ball's fighting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what's his name. Atuma is fighting. There's big money to be made in that. We're going to talk about that next episode. Also, yeah, if you are in here or listening which there's what? Two people? So no, you're probably not um bagel boy media. Long time listener, first time caller. What's nick's actual boxing record? Oh okay, this guy knows me, he's messing with me, but my actual amateur boxing record is a big oh and one baby. Oh and one better than oh, no yeah is that?
Speaker 2:what do you think? What do you think's better? Oh and oh, or own one um depends how you lost standing eight.
Speaker 1:Count baby I was young I was young, I was very young I think that oh, oh, no, it's kind of better, you think so yeah nah, because like getting in there, you get some points yeah, then you, you get points for not, you know, you get some points for seven. Eight count, that's a good question.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna post that. What's better record? Oh and oh oh and one not on. One's probably better because you're on the board, right?
Speaker 1:oh no, you're not even on the board you thought about it though man you want a bunch of likeizes, fights, fantasizes, fantasy fights In your head.
Speaker 2:To get in the ring is a big thing. Bagel boy media Eat a bag of you know what.
Speaker 1:What do you want in the streets? How many do you want in the streets? It all depends.
Speaker 2:Drunk, I'm 0-20. Sober, I'm probably like I don't know Streets. I've been sucker punched. But sober, I'm probably like I don't know Streets. I've been sucker punched. I've been jumped. Being jumped don't really count. What do you want me to do? But yeah, I'm probably undefeated. Sober, you got jumped A few times. You see how I talk. Yeah, no, I've been actually jumped, actually just once. Bad, that was bad. Yeah, okay. But but me and this dude were squared up and I boxed at the time and I was piecing him up but then he bum, rushed me and I backed up, yeah, and I tripped over the curve and there was a lot of bottom air force ones stepping on my face.
Speaker 1:I was like man, this rubber smells good down here you had a big black eye man that was bad, got kicked. I was like man, this rubber smells good. Down here you had the boot left on your face.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I had a big black eye man. I was bad. I got kicked Asshole. They're all dead or in jail now, though, so I won Damn they are.
Speaker 1:How would you know that?
Speaker 2:Because I knew them. It was a small town but it was like I swear to God three-fifths of them. I give us five dudes. Three fifths of them are. One is dead and two are like in and out of.
Speaker 1:And the other one is in the comments.
Speaker 2:Yeah, square up, oh now On a fair one. I grew up a little Gained, a little weight, heavy weight. That sounds good. That's the question, though I'm going to post that later If you're in the live stream 0-0 or 0-1, what is better, or what would nah? 1-1. You can't do that. That's pretty even. Again, bear with us. It is 3-0-1. We are waiting for Bruce Carrington to pop in the show. Hopefully he does. Hopefully he doesn't stand us up. I think he's a man of his word, so I don't believe he will. But we are waiting. We got some downtime. Willie's over there placing some bets, as usual. What bets did you make this weekend, willie? Tell him, tell us your losses on preseason. You degenerate, fuck.
Speaker 1:Preseason football.
Speaker 2:What did you do? Was it like props?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:I had parlays, parlay props?
Speaker 1:No, I don't know, I had giants.
Speaker 2:I think that's Bruce. Yes, he is here. I'm going to add you to the stage, bruce. Yo, what's good fellas. What up? Man Bruce Carrington is on the air. What is going on?
Speaker 3:I'm doing good man. Look at that building. Wait, yeah, I got the belts in the back and all that. I see that Damn Belts in the back.
Speaker 2:We got the alcohol in the back. That's what we got over here. What's going on, man? Thank you for taking the time.
Speaker 1:Bruce Carr. What's going on, man?
Speaker 2:thank you for taking the time bruce carrington, brooklyn's own is in the well, not in the building. He's in his building but he's on the show. Did they get?
Speaker 3:it, they get it, yeah, they get it they get it.
Speaker 2:You know he's been on the show before. This is uh first time for willie, so I had to get you back.
Speaker 1:What's up? What's up bro?
Speaker 2:willie's usually late. I called him like three times. I was like listen, man, get here.
Speaker 1:I had a headache all day today, bro Listen, no, no, no, no, no you don't got to explain, bro, listen.
Speaker 3:What he got to understand is you're never late, you're just on CP time. You know what I'm?
Speaker 2:saying it's all good, I didn't say it I didn't say it he know, he know what's going on. Man, how you been, you back in Vegas.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man, I'm back in Vegas, you know, just enjoying the fruits of my labor. Man, you know, just chilling, just been chilling. Really excited for these for the end of the Wait. No, next month with Canelo and Crawford, canelo, crawford, I'm sure we're going to get into that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I definitely want to hear your take on that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm lit, though, man, I'm hyped. I'm happy. I'm just really interested to see what my next step is going to be. I don't even know what my next step is going to be. I just hope that it's going to be a shot at the world title, whether it's the WBC, the WBA.
Speaker 1:be a shot at the world title, whether it's wbc, wba, ibf, wbo, like that's just.
Speaker 3:You know where I'm at right now are you ranked number one in all those, or just I was ranked number one in the wbc, the wbo, and I was ranked number two in wba and then ranked number four in ibf. So top five in all them? Yeah, top five.
Speaker 2:So I feel like we had this same conversation like what a year and a half ago. Last time I had you on the show it was like oh, yeah, um, I'm just waiting for that, that next belt. But every year you're getting a little closer, little closer, yeah, yeah. And and you know what they? You did your thing versus uh, I'm probably gonna mess his name up, but matthias haida Am.
Speaker 3:I saying that right Haida.
Speaker 2:And you were getting some criticism, man, With being ranked where you are. You know criticism is going to come with it, but I was going to wait until later. We're going to ease into it, but it's on my mind now, so I got to figure it out.
Speaker 1:Before we even started he was like yo, we're going to be precise, we're going to try to do this. Do you get what I'm saying? Do you get what I'm saying? You're going to follow me? I'm like yo, you never want to change it. So he sent me like a list. He's all the way down at three or four, right now Already with the first question.
Speaker 2:I'm like what is that? I just want to. So you and I have. I have a little beef with this guy, like not in person, and you know where I'm going with this, I think but he has something against new york fighters, I swear, and I'm talking about, I'm talking about tim bradley and I know you, I know you're friendly with him, I'm sure you've. You spoke a bunch of times, but in that fight, in that fight I mean, he was saying some things and I'm it's his first time going 12 rounds there's no film on this guy. Right, there's no film on this guy. He was also ranked from what I read, it's one of the rankings, I think, like 11, so he could be yeah.
Speaker 3:I think he was like ranked in the WBO and WBC.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's not like a nobody you know what I mean and like probably nobody wants to fight him and there's one thing with african fighters that we know is they're coming to win and they have all heart.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're strong, they're strong. Yeah, punches naturally. And I have this issue with tim bradley because I swear it's only with new york fighters, like, like, only with new york fighters. You know, we're good friends with jahai tucker and it's the same thing. Every fight it's like, yeah, you're going to get hit and he was going off a little bit. How you should have got this guy out of there. Blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile you pitched a shutout.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pitched a shutout that didn't make no sense and we had a group chat and I'm like yo, she was pitching a shutout and Tim is talking wild crazy. And then somebody in the chat says some crazy shit like yo, he should have got him out. I'm like he can't be right. I'm like, what are you talking? About what else you want him to do.
Speaker 2:What went on in the fighter meetings. I just wanted to pick your brain on that. I'm not trying to create beef. If there's no beef there, it's our issues, and I liked him.
Speaker 3:Most of the time he's good. I noticed this trend with New York fighters. Something's going on. Yeah, I don't know what to say about the New York fighter thing. I swear. I swear that is funny. I'll do some research on that now that you brought it to my attention. But yeah, bro, I loved him. You know what I'm saying. I loved him. I will say that the criticism didn't go unnoticed whatsoever. I mean, it never does like you know. Yeah, um, I, um, I won't. I will say, if you notice the other commentators, though they I think they felt like, like, if you looked at the, what was it? The um? What was the segment that top rank used? Oh, the state of boxing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah At the end.
Speaker 3:Mark Kriegel and them. They was just like yo. I think you're a little hard on shoe. You know what I'm saying Because the dude was tough. He was very durable. It was my first 12-rounder Me actually going the whole 12 rounds.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying. I feel like that was more important than for me getting a knockout. And on top of that I don't present myself as this knockout guy like I'm gonna get a knockout, knockout. You know I'm saying so. This is like. You know, I don't, don't, don't put me in that. Like don't be like. Oh, he should have got him, I thought he should get him a part of that. Y'all don't say that when stephen foals in fighting, you know I'm saying like stephen foals, don't out of there.
Speaker 3:But y'all give him all this praise because he won against him.
Speaker 2:He's not from New York.
Speaker 3:Not from New York, no Angola. I would say I didn't appreciate what he said oh, like if the guy was in it with the other champions and the other champions would have got him up out of there Never?
Speaker 1:I don't think so either.
Speaker 3:I would say listen. I would say maybe Espinosa and Nick Bowe because of their style. They're just naturally more aggressive, maybe. But styles make fights. We know this. Yeah, then he started to say Stephen Fulton would have gotten him a Friday there. I'm like. So you did hear All right.
Speaker 2:Cool gang.
Speaker 3:You know, but at the end of the day, everybody's entitled to their opinion. You know what I'm saying and that's just what comes with the game. You know, I understand I'm going to get that criticism. I won't get all the praises, and then I'm also going to get all the naysayers.
Speaker 1:It just is what it is.
Speaker 3:You know. I genuinely, though, I will say that I expected more from Tim, because he's a fighter For him to understand why certain things is not, like you know a lot to do with. The stoppage didn't happen, da-da-da-da-da. Like I'm not going to go in and knock out everybody, bro.
Speaker 3:Like granted, I am an exciting fighter, I can just, you know, one shot, get it, do the body there. I understand that happens, yes, like, but that's not something that I go out and seek. It just happens, bro. Yeah, you know, and sometimes if I, even if I go out and seek it, things don't go my way, and prime example prime example, when I did try to go out and seek it and it didn't go my way was when I fought like I was trying to just get the dude up out of there because I had like a whole knockout streak before then and everything like. I'm not trying to get into it, I'm smarter than that, bro.
Speaker 2:I'm smarter than that, and he's another tough, tough fighter that nobody really wants to fight. They're throwing you all the Africans, man, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:But you know me, bro, I come with all of that mindset of just I'm going to fight the best, bro, you know what I'm saying and it just is what it is like. We really went down the whole list of people, of champions, giving out offers, you know, and all of them said no, right, boom. Then we went down to top contenders. We talked about all the top contenders. They all said no. And matias hato was just the last guy was the first guy, the only guy.
Speaker 3:I was like, yeah, I'll fight shushu, you know I'm saying like he had the confidence to do only guy, I was like, yeah, I'll fight you. You know what I'm saying. Like he had the confidence to do so and I got it and I come in for that and I thank him for being able to accept the fight and you know us, you know, be able to share the ring together. Like, because, if not him, then what? I was gonna keep going down that list and then reach the going down over to the top 20 of the guys of this sanctioned body. Like, come on, like then it'll really been a whole thing. Like, oh, she should fight guys in the top 20. Like it's my choice, like it's me that's doing this. Like, no bro, like I want to fight these champions man hey, to put it on his name on the map too.
Speaker 1:I ain't gonna lie. He, he, he's gonna be tough for anybody. Yeah, he's gonna be tough and it's his first time in america too yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 3:I know I know he was gonna be ready. You know I'm saying just one awful fight in me, the two fighting in america, fighting on national television, on a big platform like espn. Like he came to show like listen, I'm not gonna like miss this opportunity, I'm not gonna lay down, I'm gonna try to, you know, derail this guy's career so I can make a name for myself.
Speaker 2:So he definitely came and fought, like that and that's like we, even when we previewed the fight, like we didn't really know much about him. I just looked up what I could there wasn't much, yeah, and from what I could find that it was just that he's tough, which every I swear every guy that comes from average is tough like that's.
Speaker 1:That's what we know, that yeah, yeah, but I knew that he was kind of slick and he comes forward a lot, so it's like he got something in him, though he throws a lot of punches. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he throw a lot.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying. But my whole thing was just to be defensively aware. I noticed that, yeah, I was looking at the copy box numbers and I was making him miss a lot. I ain't going to lie to you, like during the fight I'm just like in that flow state, you know, I'm like thinking about how many times I'm making a miss. But I watched the fight over, I'm like dang like I was making a miss a lot, you know what I mean. And then that slowed down his punch count and I think my power punch is like 40-something percent. You know, those are little things that I really don't think about when I'm in there. I just naturally, just you know it just naturally just comes to me Interesting, yeah, yeah. So that right. There is just you know another reason why I feel like I've been proving myself and showing like I'm ready for that championship level.
Speaker 2:So, speaking on your style in that fight, I noticed you were a little more on the back foot. You were a little, when you say, defensively sound, I feel like and correct me if I'm wrong, which I might be but you're usually like in the pocket, defensive, if that makes sense. Like this fight. I noticed you were working on like distance a little more. Was that the plan going in? Did that have anything to do with like the Navy SEAL training you?
Speaker 3:were doing. He was lengthy, that was definitely the plan. That was definitely the plan because the dude was strong and we also noticed that he didn't have good feet. So it was like, in order for him to catch up, like you got to use your feet. And then if you notice like he's throwing his right hand, he's putting his whole body into it, all that weight going into his front foot, and then he's like when he misses, he's falling into the rope. Boom, that's opportunity for us to counter. So, yeah, it was like that, it was definitely like that all day. And then, using my feints, I would faint to jab down to the body but bring it back up top. Boom, catch me with a clean jab. You know little things like that. Um, yeah, me fighting more at distance was, for sure, the uh, the game plan. And also for me to show.
Speaker 2:I have the opportunity to show a year like y'all been seeing me fighting inside in the pocket and everything like that, but I could also use my feet in box as well and and again, that that also while I was watching the fight I was thinking I'm like, yeah, I mean he's showing a new wrinkle, he's going 12, like that could be another reason you didn't get him out of there. So I almost threw my drink at the TV at Tim, and again, I wasn't trying to create beef, I just as fans, we're watching, we hear it and we're like I'm noticing a trend man, this guy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, now that's funny. Yo trust me, I was getting hella texted about it, man, I was laughing at it, though I was like man, what the heck this was. Before I even watched it, I just got the text. I'm like man, what the heck did Tim say this time?
Speaker 1:I can imagine he had text messages right after the fight. It's crazy, it was wild.
Speaker 3:It was like yo shoot you did great, but Tim Trying to get voice notes and shit, and again, again.
Speaker 2:You know it's hard to talk. We talk, everyone makes mistakes. You got to keep going, you got to have an opinion. So it was just hearing it. I'm like I swear, man.
Speaker 1:It's crazy. It's like a lot of them was saying that, though, like Sean Porter says on his podcast the same thing. It was just like yo he should have got him out of there. I'm like, wow, he pissed the shit out of me.
Speaker 2:People are crazy when.
Speaker 1:Shakur do it. It's like, oh, he's so nice. No, bro, I don't understand.
Speaker 2:Speaking on getting them out of there. Espn now is no longer affiliated with Top Rank. Top Rank is moving on your contract with Top Rank. You got years left on it. Yeah, I do. Yeah, okay, so you're going where they go, right? Yeah, I got to ask and again, everything I ask sounds like I'm like creating beef, but I'm not. I'm a big fan of that.
Speaker 2:It's all good, yeah, yeah I feel I'm not trying to like get anybody mad at anybody, but do they tell you, do they talk to you first, like, do the, do the head honchos come over and they tell you, hey, listen, like we're, we're going to a new platform we're looking for, or they just leave the fighters in the dust as of right now, as far as I'm, as far as I know, I'm not concerned, bro.
Speaker 3:We don't know where we're going. I asked, I've asked them like personally, like the head guys, the top guys, like I guess my past two fights you know what I'm saying like, hey, where we're going, where we're going, even before my people, before my past two fights, you know what I'm saying. Like where we're going, where we're going, even before my past two fights, like where we're going where we're going and it's like, oh look, we got offers for this. You know we could go back to ESPN, da-da-da-da. But as of right now, we don't know. You know what I'm saying. But at the end of the day, like genuinely concerned on it, because top rank, that company has been super relevant since the days of Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying. And then, on top of that, even through the worldly disasters like the pandemic, they actually put out the most amount of fights in the bubble. They just showed that they know how to adapt to situations. This is not the first time running out of a contract with a company and then finding a new platform this is something that they've been through before. This is not like a crisis that's going on, so I'm not too worried about where we're going to head next and I'm just going to be ready for whenever time I get back in the ring.
Speaker 1:So how do that play out when it's your, your decision and choosing to like sign with them and stuff like Wait, let me say one more time, say it again so how do that, as a fighter, how that makes up the decision when to re-sign with them?
Speaker 2:If you like. They don't have a home or you don't like where they're going.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 3:I mean, you know that's something that something that you know has to be brought up in discussion when it's time to, like you know, talk about negotiations and whatnot. You know, we got to just see if you know, uh, if my interest matches their interest moving forward, then you know, then everything should be cool. But if not, then you know certain pivots and changes have to be made. You know, that doesn't necessarily mean I would go to a different platform, but things would have to be brought up in discussion for sure. So that's just, that's just kind of the angle that would have to be taken for sure so offers were definitely sent right.
Speaker 2:I know everyone you sent offers to the four champions, correct, correct. The offers were some some.
Speaker 3:Most conversations would even get to the negotiations. There's probably like yeah, there's probably only one guy out of the four that actually had negotiations. A number sent out.
Speaker 2:Can you name drop? Who is that?
Speaker 3:Nick Ball.
Speaker 1:Nick Ball. Okay, shout out to Nick Ball, we're giving him props for ducking yeah but but let's, let's hold on, let's pump the brakes.
Speaker 3:Let's pump the brakes because they gave out a number that they thought that we wouldn't be able to produce. That's why, that's the only reason why, you know, I can't even say that, because when the number was produced in his oh no, it's not right. Then it's like oh nah, your team ain't confident and it's not Nick Boll. I don't think that any of the fighters are ducking. I genuinely believe that all of us, we down to fight anybody.
Speaker 2:Well, espinoza was there. I mean, he was in the crowd, yeah, yeah, he didn't say anything.
Speaker 3:Listen, I know how the game go right, you know I think, listen like I know how the game go right. You know what I'm saying. So I genuinely believe that these dudes they're, for the most part, they're getting told like, yo, you should go to this fight, because I don't think that he expected me to point him out in the crowd and give him the attention that he was looking for. You know what I'm saying. Well, I mean, not that he was looking for, but give him that type of attention In a way, in a way, a few fights to go to.
Speaker 2:It was peeping in. I think it was your fight, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So now the Inouye one he was making it known Like he came right before I fought, watched me fight and left right after you know what?
Speaker 2:his way out, my drunk ass in a shoe york shirt stopped him and he tapped me up. Was like what the fuck is with this guy? And then thank you, that means the world does that. And then like ESPN security or whatever we're like, yo get this fucking guy away.
Speaker 1:Did you tell them about the when we saw Wes McCullough in the city?
Speaker 2:Who.
Speaker 1:Eddie Hearn.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I told him, I told him.
Speaker 3:I told him I sent him bring nick paul yeah I saw that, yeah, jake paul, jake paul, jake paul.
Speaker 2:That's crazy but no, I'm a little. I'm a little heartbroken that espn is leaving because I love, like I'm all about the streaming stuff. I got all the streams and stuff. But there's nothing better than like when you go to dinner with your girl or whatever, and yeah and, like espn, is the only one playing fights, even yeah, they're lower level fights. Whatever it, it is on in the background. That exposure is going away.
Speaker 3:It's crazy yeah.
Speaker 2:And I get in arguments with casual fans or I hate that word but guys that like boxing but don't watch it religiously, right right. The argument is there was like oh, boxing's dead. And I'm like nah man, the last two, three years have been great. Boxing's been great like what are you talking about? So it it's a little heartbreaking to me. I hope they get on a mainstream channel, but I I don't see that.
Speaker 3:I hope so too. I'm hearing it's a rumor that hbo might be coming back oh, that'd be great, that'd be awesome, that'll be lit right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would be awesome show I remember about hbo is h After Dark.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's weird.
Speaker 1:He's a freak.
Speaker 2:That's him.
Speaker 1:You watch the podcast. This guy is freaky.
Speaker 2:You're just playing.
Speaker 1:I know the real world. My dad used to have shout out to my dad Word. He used to have the private box, the black box, back in the day.
Speaker 3:Listen, hey, my back in the day. Yo, I'm crying.
Speaker 2:Yo listen, hey, my pops had it too. That's actually how I got into boxing. Was the Mike Tyson fights with my grandpa? He had the box too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, he had the illegal box 99, was that special?
Speaker 2:I never watched HBO After Dark on it, though you weirdo man All right Again. So you did the training. I wanted to touch on that quick and I don't want to take up too much of your time again. We just appreciate you even acknowledging us.
Speaker 3:You're my people's man.
Speaker 2:Did you hear that fans? I don't want to let that know. See, training with Regis in the water stuff, that, like I said before, the navy seal stuff you were doing that, that new wrinkle that you showed, yeah, what was that like? Whose idea was that was? Uh, I know you're with um. Is it k caroma right? Yeah, yeah, was that his or was it the strength and conditioning coach.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but how'd that happen if you know they say black people can't swim? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I did not say it, I did not say it I can swim.
Speaker 3:I didn't know Shuka could swim, man, I just learned how to swim, yeah.
Speaker 1:And you in Brooklyn too. Y'all didn't have no pools.
Speaker 3:Oh G, Like I ain't gonna lie to you. Okay, so it was K's idea, it was.
Speaker 2:K's idea. It was K's idea.
Speaker 3:Right off. We got to give a little credit to K, yeah, and I got to give a lot of thanks to my coaches that helped us out there my instructors, david and Maki. They were awesome, like they're super awesome and helping. You know the beginners just just push to go into. You know just different levels of uh, dead your intensity inside the workout, because it's like that type of workout, man, it really helped me out with being able to have the confidence to go full 12 rounds. Yeah, because even after I did the 12 rounds I'm like okay, so this is how 12 rounds feel.
Speaker 3:Like you know it's different when you're doing 12 rounds in a gym. Yeah, because like it's not a lot of pressure, you don't have the anxiety, you don't have like all the lights on you and stuff like that. It's different. That same type of you know pressure and lights and whatever that adds like a lot of mental fatigue, because you're just thinking about a lot of different things sometimes and so it naturally it affects your, your fatigue physically your heart rate and everything, your all of that you know I'm saying so, but I was okay.
Speaker 3:I'm like, oh, I could have did more rounds, but that's, you know, a part of it was because of, you know, that underwater training that we did. It was just like I was able to, you know, do like full workouts underwater without like having to, you know, get up and stuff like that. I'm just thinking about when I'm like, let's say, you're doing like, uh, you're bench pressing, for example, and when you're bench pressing you have to breathe. When you push up, all breathing, all breathing, yeah, it's all breathing, right, right. So now we're doing squat presses underwater, we're squatting and we're pushing, but I can't breathe, you can't push out, I'm like the first time I did, I'm like oh hell, no.
Speaker 3:And mind you, we're doing that like 13 feet deep water. I was never swimming in no deep water bro.
Speaker 1:So when.
Speaker 3:I'm on the floor doing these workouts, I put the weight down and I'm like kind of panicking to get up. I see how far the water is. I'm like, oh, I'm about to die, bro. It was crazy. I didn't know a lot, but I learned how to stay comfortable and calm in that environment and I just took it to where it was like, okay, there's something similar to in the ring, like, and how I fight in the pocket. Yeah, like all of this chaos is happening but me being able to stay calm in the pocket. I could be able to get the shots I want and get up out of there and just be like in, like in a flow state. Yep, I had to translate that into the swimming and then, you know, back into boxing. So it was like yo, like this was next level. I was able to be underwater and not have to, you know, breathe like for like two minutes underwater, maybe a little more than two minutes. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. I gradually got there, but yeah, like yo, next level bro do they have?
Speaker 2:do they they have the blooper footage? I know they put a nice clip together. Nah, actually, no, I got a blooper.
Speaker 3:You know what's funny? Because they didn't always bring the camera out. They would have some good blooper stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that'd be funny.
Speaker 3:I was like oh, hell no, you was like hey, hey, that was so crazy, but I really was happy that I did it. Because it was so crazy, but I really was happy that I did it because this show it just again just proved to me how my, how mental, how mentally strong I am. You know how uh, fearless I can be when I'm like, okay, when I see something that's challenging in front of me. But I'm like I gotta do it, I gotta let me conquer this.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm saying and that's sure you like you said. I think you said you could go 15, but you were training for 15 rounds. Yeah, yeah, you were throwing a lot of punches and you had energy. It looked, you looked perfect. Honestly, yeah, again, you like fatigue wise? I don't think you were fatigued at all.
Speaker 1:No, not at all. I love that you always use the word flow state. A lot of you probably just need to learn that. How to get in that flow state that. That is all.
Speaker 3:That's just very important very that's definitely very important, because some people they get into that state and they don't even realize when they're in it. You know what I mean? It's something that, like, you have to realize that you're in it consciously, be aware of it, but also staying in it as well too, because sometimes when you're aware of it and it's like, oh, I'm killing it, and then it's like I lost it. You can just lose it that fast as long as, like you know, when you catch on to it, that, right, there is something that I had to learn how to like. Okay, I got it. Keep going, keep going, keep going, and then you know you can just like break down your opponent that way, and it's like a. I like watching anime, bro, so it's like a you know, dragon Ball, super Goku, super Goku, getting to Ultra Instinct type thing. You know what I mean? You should come out.
Speaker 2:You should come out with the hair, with the Goku hair.
Speaker 3:Nah, bro, I'd be too, dead serious, I'd be too serious, bro. I can't.
Speaker 1:I can't.
Speaker 3:I mean, you know it's funny because outside of boxing, yeah.
Speaker 1:I do all that stuff.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. But in, when I'm walking out, I be too serious. I be walking out like a gladiator. That's why I wear the Mike Tyson towel, you know, when I walk out, because it's just like who thinks of that? Like who thinks about just having to just cutting a hole in the towel, just wearing that at a party?
Speaker 2:I always say, like his most crazy walkout, some people be like when he came out with DMX play and I'm like no, when he came out to clanging chains, yeah, I was like what the fuck is going on.
Speaker 3:He's so sadistic, right Like who comes out to that. Yeah, that shit was crazy, that shit is scary, bro.
Speaker 2:You do see it in your face too. When you warm up, you get up into that different part of you, different part of you. That, because you are, I will say I I'm not just guessing it up like friendly wise, fan friendly wise. We meet a lot of fighters, you see us there and stuff. Uh, whether you love us or hate us, but you are the most fan friendly. You do all the podcasts. You thank you and then and then you get in the ring and you're like I don't know who that is, who is, but it's, it's, it's good, that's that, it's good. That's why you're great. Thank you, man. And again, I don't want to take up too much of your time. Listen, it's Sunday, it's nice Football season's coming.
Speaker 1:Yes sir, yes sir, it is, it is you watch football.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I watch football. Yes, sir, what's your team? You know I'm a New York dude bro.
Speaker 1:New York Giants, bro, giants ain't doing the best either but, it is what it is.
Speaker 3:I'm staying solid. This guy's a Cowboy fan for no reason Come on bro. You lost me Little.
Speaker 1:Giants. You remember the Little Giants movie, right, man? What team you wanted to be a part of? You didn't want to be part of the Little Giants. Listen listen.
Speaker 2:Speaking of little giants, let's keep it on boxing. Nick Ball is fighting Sam Goodman this weekend. What do you think of that fight? Shuk Goodman's highly ranked, I guess.
Speaker 3:but oh, okay, this is my first time saying this. This is my first time saying this on camera. Okay, I got exposed to BS. I got exposed to BS. Okay, this man is getting away with tricking the game right now, at this point. Since he's been a champion, he's fought guys that's been coming up from 122. Yeah, every single fighter he's fought since he's become a champion has been a guy that's coming up from 122, bro. No, none of these guys. Of course, they're going to take the opportunity to win a title at a higher weight class in one fight. You know what I'm saying by fighting Nick Ball, who wouldn't take that opportunity? I would go to 130 if I had the opportunity to fight Shockey Foster or any of the 130 pounders right now.
Speaker 3:If they was to give me a legit offer, hell yeah, I would take it. Why wouldn't I? I'm going to fight for the champ. I want the belt anyway. Why wouldn't they take it? It's him and his team Let me not say him, his team that's really making it. They're really squeezing out as much as they can before he has to fight someone that is a legit challenger. That's why I feel like that they haven't accepted my offer because I'm too much of a risk. You know what I'm saying. You're going to really put down like $2 million. You're going to really deny $2 million to not fight me. Come on, bro, in.
Speaker 2:England too, man, england is crazy hometown style wise too I was, you know, I was previewing it earlier and stuff. And we all know nick ball style sam goodman, he's a slick, you know, regular boxer like.
Speaker 3:But he's gonna overpower him though, bro yeah nick ball.
Speaker 2:I just got to say nick is going to run right through him. Yeah, he's going to overpower him, man.
Speaker 3:I genuinely and like again, like I got hella respect for Nick Ball bro. I believe it's his team man and I'm not also, so this is another reason why I respect him, but it's little things that people say make me lose respect. Yeah, it's like I think I saw an interview that he did at the ring posted and uh, you know he was there. He was acknowledging that he's seen some of my interviews and you know things that was said about him and shit and stuff like that. But he also he ended it off being like, oh uh, he better watch out what he says before he basically I'm paraphrasing here yeah, he better watch out what he says. Well, he doesn't get a shot.
Speaker 3:That sounds so, oh yeah like what you mean, like I gotta watch what I say or I don't get a shot. Like you expect me to kiss your ass to get a shot to fight you? No, are we not boxes, bro? If you don't like what I say, shut me up then. Yeah, exactly, that goes. What is that about? What is this like? Like, what is that? What are you hanging a carrot over my head? Oh, you better be nice to me. What? Who do you?
Speaker 2:think you are. He's fighting Sam Goodman.
Speaker 3:This people is crazy Yo like that shows me that that made me feel like these people were scary, bro. I'm another example, Another guy I feel like at the Cubby Himes I respect as a fighter, but his little things that they say make me lose respect. Stephen Fulton, bro.
Speaker 3:He's been chirping a lot lately, Bro he's been chirping a lot but one he's not direct with his chirps, right, and then when, like, he's not direct with his chirps at all, bro, it's all subliminals most of the time. You know, I remember I had fought for the title of Eliminator when I fought Vivas, and after the Vivas fight I'm supposed to be lined up with him right after he goes on.
Speaker 3:And right after I knocked Vivas out, he goes on to be like oh, because I called him out, oh, you don't call out the other guy, you don't call out Espinoza. Why you worry about me calling out to some other?
Speaker 2:the next one, I'm calling you out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's true. I've been calling Espinosa out back in 2023, right after he beat Robert Ramirez. I was on camera after he beat the dude Chirino On camera. I'm going to chop that tree down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember that too, that I'm playing with my character, bro, like I don't, bro.
Speaker 3:I'm with all the action. Please, if y'all know me, if these fights don't happen, and it's not because of me, I promise you. I'm not even out here just waiting and sitting. Things happen just to come in my lap. I'm going out trying to make these fights happen and this and it's not happening because these dudes, bro it's like.
Speaker 2:it's like at a point now where, like you've been so outspoken about this Again last year or a year and a half ago, whenever it was, it was like we had the same convo, almost Like what is going on? What is going on.
Speaker 3:Listen, man, that's why I'm playing Chester, not Checkers. Now he's a champ. Now we're putting that pressure on Stephen Fulton.
Speaker 2:That's another thing with Stephen. I like the way he fights, I like his style, me too. The Tim stuff was amazing, that was amazing. But Now he's moving up. He doesn't even know what he from. What I read, anyway, it's just what I read in here. He's moving up in weight. He's not moving up, he's moving up to 130,.
Speaker 3:I guess, I don't know. I don't know what he's doing. I don't even know if the fight with him and Oshaki Foster is going to materialize. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So if that fight doesn't, materialize. Hey, bro, what you going to do you got to pay or fight me?
Speaker 2:at that point. It's just very odd, and I would love a fight with you and him. We here, bro, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we here bro.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. We here, finally here, man, they've been ducking you for a minute. They didn't give you a championship Real chip. We need that, we need all that.
Speaker 2:Stephen Fulton. There's a promo there. I'm going off track of actual boxing skill, but the battle for who represents the Timberland Boots. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I was just thinking that same shit. I was thinking that same shit.
Speaker 3:Yo, I got to fight him just because of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Who is Philly? The Thames is a Philly thing. When has that ever been a Philly?
Speaker 1:thing, whoever says that Thames is a Philly thing.
Speaker 3:I got to say that I probably rocked it, but y'all bit off the New York joint. Like New York and Philly, we like brothers and sisters, you know what I'm saying. Like New York, a Philly joint. Like no, that's New York.
Speaker 2:Everybody knows the Butters. This is like the Butters you can promo with that I will say, though I got it, butters ACP.
Speaker 1:A-Solos. Word, word what are you talking about? I got some Pada Mori All that.
Speaker 2:My white ass has some Columbia, but I was at the boots fight that was in Atlantic City and it was a big Philly Crowd, obviously.
Speaker 3:I gotta say, though Everybody in there had dims on it was crazy A bunch of people now, a lot of people now, be wearing tins because it's back In style. Like you see, a bunch of people, we, a bunch of people now, if you peep, a lot of people now will be wearing 10s because it's back in style.
Speaker 3:Like you see a bunch of people wearing 10s with the George or they got a little even like. You'll be seeing dudes with hoodies on, with a button down shirt under, with a tie on it, and they got their butters on Like back in fashion. But whether if it was in fashion or out of fashion, new York is religiously worn temps.
Speaker 2:I'm not even trying to put pressure on you, man, if that fight does matriculate, but you got to win that fight, man.
Speaker 3:I'm wearing temps too.
Speaker 2:Y'all both should wear them just because. That'd be crazy marketing. That'd be crazy marketing right there. I'm just going to. I'm going to read some comments. I got some people commenting right now um asking questions. Uh, good, fan of the show to patio combate. He says who out of all the champions right now, do you want the most?
Speaker 3:do, I want the most I would say. I would say nick ball, yeah, yeah, just because I think that would be the most lucrative fight out of all the champions man, you in the pocket versus nick ball.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like yo so crazy.
Speaker 3:That's another reason why I'm fighting just because it would be such a like a crowd-friendly fight yeah I, I'm.
Speaker 2:I love fights like that and then, if you get, out of fights like that I'm I'm foreshadowedowing you get him out of there and we get ray ford.
Speaker 3:Like you could do something once we go up to 130, then you know, that conversation may be, you know a thing, as long as he continues to stay relevant at the vision. But until then, I'm so locked in on his federation yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 2:oh shock, he's another one too. He's decent at that weight too, definitely. Yeah, I got respect for Oshaki as well too, I like him a lot too, because he fights through injuries. He's been through a lot in his personal life that he bounced back from, and I've seen him get robbed.
Speaker 1:So I came at the Hulu theater I was like oh my goodness, yeah, at least you don't have to worry about hair and shit. Oshaki got to worry about hair getting in his way and shit.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, that hair bro, we talked about that. That one fight yeah crazy.
Speaker 3:He had him, like yo that had to be Like bro, that don't bother you while you're fighting and stuff.
Speaker 2:It was it had to have, it had to yeah.
Speaker 3:He's got a lot of New York fans too. Oshaki, yeah, he does. He definitely does. Like I said, he has a lot of respect. I like his personality as well. Also, you mentioned he's been through things in his life. It's really cool to see where he is in his career at this moment, right now. I'm really interested to see how that fight. Well, that's like I said it feels to materialize with it's a goaltender.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 3:In my best interest, though I hope it doesn't happen so I can get my shot at it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 2:Oh man, we're going to that one.
Speaker 1:really, I don't care where it is, Wherever it is at right. Yeah yeah, yeah, I got to come through, man, I need a new pair though, shushu, you lose.
Speaker 2:I'm putting the Columbias on man. I'm putting the Columbias on no Columbias.
Speaker 3:That's not happening. I promise you it's not.
Speaker 2:I'm not lying, I don't really have them anyway, I'm just kidding. Alright, again, I'm just going to close it out. I just have a few questions for you. Quick answers, nothing crazy. Your dream venue what is your dream?
Speaker 3:venue. I want to fight in the big room in the garden.
Speaker 2:The big room in the garden answers nothing. Crazy your dream venue.
Speaker 1:What is your dream venue?
Speaker 3:I want to fight in the big room in the garden, the big room in the garden, sell that out. Yeah, bro, I fought like seven times so far now in the Hulu Theater and I fought in the Hulu Theater when I was in the Golden Gloves in New York. So you know what I'm saying. I love the Hulu Theater always. That's home. But man, the big room is where it's at. Like I want a bigger locker room, just a whole feel and everything like. I just want to be able to.
Speaker 2:That's my dream, real quick j bell says jersey and philly, where those weird ass looking tims us new york people don't even look at them in stores.
Speaker 3:Yo, now this is funny. Yo, new York is cool, but we are so particular when it comes to fashion.
Speaker 1:it's the weird.
Speaker 3:If you're wearing the regular Construct boots we wear the deluxe joints, the joints that cost like $200.
Speaker 1:It's cuz.
Speaker 3:It costs $200.
Speaker 1:Even with the brims, the gray bottoms you got the gray bottom and the green.
Speaker 3:The green on the gray is valid If you see a dude with a black nasty on his head.
Speaker 1:Nasty black ass.
Speaker 2:I'm learning a lot today. This is nice you have me up here.
Speaker 3:You have me looking at the rim. Don't get caught. I'm looking at the brim of my hat like oh color. Don't get caught with the black nasty son. Don't get caught with the black nasty Don.
Speaker 2:No, black Nasty, I got it. What up, baby, you got anything? What else? I mean, that's really all I have. Again, I don't want to take up too much. Like I said, we could yap all damn day when you come home, when you come home to New York, is it different? Now you got to see everybody. It's a little annoying, right, like, oh, I got to see this person.
Speaker 3:If I don't see that person, I got to right Like it's like a man, listen, that's why I try to make my trips short. Yeah, because it's like Like dog, it's a lot. It's like, yeah, definitely. It's like, oh, this person want to see me, that person want to see me, and even if this person sees me, they want to see me again. Yo, bro, Maybe even a half a day at a time. Yeah, yeah, like I can't Dude, I can't just stretch myself out that much. I want to take a rest day from everybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you want to just chill in New York with the family?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Dude like. Listen, I love Vegas. Right, vegas is awesome, but New York? I've traveled all over the world. At this point, new York is the best place on earth.
Speaker 3:When it comes to the food culture, diversity, the transit. Obviously New York is super expensive, it's dirty, but that adds on to the personality that we have and the culture that we carry. You know, it's not like that for no reason, you know, and it's just so much identity that comes with new york, like there's no place you can compare new york to, like you're just gonna place that's similar. You know what I'm saying. But if you really get down to it, the mentality that that if you could survive in new york, to survive anywhere, and that is so true to the soul, like not only that, I tell people all the time I've also.
Speaker 2:I was in the military, so I've been everywhere, like literally everywhere. He's heard me say it. I say all the time, like my wife, for example. She always wants to go to like europe and stuff and I'm like, yeah, europe's awesome for a little bit, but New York has everything Europe has. Like, you want to see a cathedral? We got the best cathedral in the world. You want to go to a nice beach Long Island. I don't know that's just my theory, but it is good for Europe.
Speaker 3:I can't give the beaches, I'm sorry Now the beaches, the New York beaches, is trash.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, the water's what is nasty man.
Speaker 3:It is what is nasty, but other than that, though, New York just has a little bit of everything man.
Speaker 2:Even in the midst of the chaos of the city, you got City Park where it's real quiet.
Speaker 3:You have quiet areas, you know what I'm saying. Then you got Soho, where everybody is just stepping up fast, just stripped out.
Speaker 2:He gets mad at me. When we take the train in to your fights usually. Me when we take the train in to your fights usually. But when we take the train in to MSG, I get this weird energy. When I enter New York, he gets geeked up. I'm sober, I just get this weird energy.
Speaker 1:I'm just tired. I'm tired of New York. I love it so much. That's the thing too it I'm tired of New York. I'm like yo, I'm tired, yo I love it.
Speaker 3:Yo, I love it so much, and that's the thing too. It's the fact that New York is not for everybody, bro, but I like it, like that.
Speaker 2:It don't need to be for everybody.
Speaker 3:You don't like it, it's whatever. We are certain we rude, but we thorough.
Speaker 1:We're transparent. It is man. You should have saw Puma at the PR festival when I took him to it. It's crazy. He went to the PR festival, not the parade, the festival, the festival.
Speaker 2:We went to your fight that night. Yeah, yeah, yeah Drunk as hell Off to Don Julio. He didn't even know what an ice cup was. No, he didn't. I was like us white folk have Yetis what the hell.
Speaker 1:is this that fucking ice cup? That's crazy. I just saw a TikTok where some girl was talking about she didn't know what an ice cup was either. That was wild, that's funny. You don't even know what an ice cup is.
Speaker 2:But all right, man, that's funny but alright, man, we'll let you go again. Thank you so much, man. You don't have anything else, right, we're good speaking of transparent you said transparent. You are one of the most transparent fighters. You called them all out. You keep calling them out. I don't know you were on ESPN calling them out. I don't know what else has to fucking give. I got one more question, though. We got one more, the though.
Speaker 1:I don't know, bro, we got one more, one more the ring ambassador right, Okay yeah, how's that been? What is the future for that?
Speaker 2:There's some confusion with that too. Like is it what's?
Speaker 3:the confusion. I'll try to clear that up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like, what does ring ambassador entail?
Speaker 3:Like things you just said. I guess in a sense you had it I mean whatever, but I mean that's why they have me as an ambassador. But yeah, if you think about it's like a brand ambassador anybody that's a brand ambassador like I get paid for having them on my shorts.
Speaker 2:I get paid for making appearances, okay so they want you to be their image.
Speaker 3:They want you to exactly yeah, that's good, exactly like it's like you're a brand ambassador for any company. It's just with.
Speaker 2:It got confusing because, like with promotions and like you're with top rank, and then the ring, no right, but the ring is not a promotional company. You know, like that's where everyone's getting confused yeah, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:They are event makers, they're not promoters. Those are two different things. But let's say, with this fight going on right now with Canelo and Crawford, yeah, it's like it's ring five or something. Yeah, it's ring five, but who's promoting it? The Zone is going to be promoting it. I think it's ring five or something. Yeah, it's ring five, but who's promoting it? The Zone is going to be promoting it.
Speaker 2:I think it's a cross promotion, sella promotions or whatever. See those are promotions.
Speaker 3:They're the ones that's promoting it, but the guys that's making the event is the ring, so that's what they is they're event makers.
Speaker 2:All right, that clears it up. That actually does clear it up, though, because I saw it. I'm like, oh, he's the ring ambassador, but then I'm like, wait, he's with Top Ring and you know Top Ring's leaving ESPN. Like what the fuck is going on?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, top Ring is also their teamwork. They're partners with.
Speaker 2:Ring as well, too. Got to be. Everybody is, man is man everyone is yeah, and then all right, one more question. I swear I'll let you go. Like I said we started the show off, you knew we're gonna ask who do you got crawford canelo mega fight um who you got and why, and then we'll let you get out of here, man man, you know I love both guys.
Speaker 3:Man that canelo is great like. He's one of my favorite mexican fighters of all time. Um, crawford, he is like at the age that he's at he's pushing 38 and he still looks great. Um, I genuinely believe that this man has the capability of winning this fight and I'm going Crawford he has this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going Crawford.
Speaker 2:He has to stop. I'm going.
Speaker 1:Crawford.
Speaker 3:The reason being is because, granted, yes, canelo has the size, granted, canelo has the experience yes, those are major issues, major and he has the upper body movement to be able to slip and counter. I think that, right, there is the biggest concern that I have for Crawford, because I think on the Majima fight, right and that's Crawford is when he goes southpaw, when he's creating distance and trying to maintain, he pauses. Jeff and I've learned that when people are like doing that paw, they kind of are asleep with their defense at the end that time. And because I do it with people, knowledge, like they're just doing that paw, they're not thinking about a punch coming, they're just at the end of that time. And because I do it with people, knowledge, knowledge, like they're just doing that paw, they're not thinking about a punch coming, they're just trying to maintain their distance, they're not thinking, you know, on the next thing.
Speaker 3:But I say that I'll bring that up because if you look at that Majumar fight, there's a lot of times he'll just, when Crawford is doing that paw, he'll duck under that hand and throw that right hand straight off the bat. And then that brought me back to look, that's the boxing line that's going. That brought me back to when Canelo Alvarez first dropped Austin Trout. What did he drop him with that?
Speaker 3:duck right hand. Canelo was great with that shot.
Speaker 3:Bro, he's great with that shot, so that brings concern to me when it comes to him fighting Crawford but you still got Crawford but I still got Crawford because he's so versatile, he brings more to the table, he has the lateral movement to keep Canelo you know, uh, like you know busy with his feet because Canelo he has slow feet. Yep, people want to say, oh, maybe because because Canelo getting older, canelo has always had slow feet. Now there want to say, oh, maybe because Canelo is getting older, canelo has always had slow feet. Now there was a time, a short time span, where he was doing great at cutting off the ring. There was a short time span.
Speaker 3:at that time it kind of went away and I always bring up Canelo always has slow feet, naturally, because when Floyd was fighting him, he could not keep up with Floyd. When Lara was fighting him, he could not keep up with Floyd. When Lara was fighting him, he could not keep up with Lara he arguably lost that fight, arguably lost that fight you know, what I'm saying so when you think about oh, and then now William Scull, granted William Scull if he had more offense, he probably could have even done something with that fight, but he just did it and obviously you're going to give the fight to the aggressor.
Speaker 2:If Canelo? For me, if Canelo, because lately his past like four or five fights he's been doing these two-punch combos, these plotting shots, and yeah, mind you, they do hurt and they land. He's very accurate, but like he needs to let his hands go again. If that Canelo shows up, Crawford's going to have a lot of problems.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, canelo does not throw combinations the way he used to.
Speaker 2:I can see the argument for Crawford on points. If Canelo gets a knockdown, which he may. If he does get a knockdown, then yeah, he's going to win a decision. Yeah, it could definitely happen, man.
Speaker 3:Like you know, crawford has been shown to get a little wobbled from time to time. Even in the Spence fight Crawford got a little buzz. Yeah man, it can happen. It can happen.
Speaker 1:I hope it doesn't.
Speaker 3:I'm going Bud bro.
Speaker 1:I'm going Bud. Bud is a dog. I'm rooting for Bud.
Speaker 3:Wait, wait, continue what you're saying. I got something to say after that.
Speaker 1:He's a dog. You see how he wrestles everybody. He's a competitor. He's going to go in crazy on Canelo, he's not going to sit down. Like on Charlo, he's not going to sit down, he's not going to back down to Canelo.
Speaker 2:He's definitely coming to win.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's definitely going to. I just think he lives up to the expectations Everybody he fights. You didn't think he was going to do that to Errol. No, I didn't. He lives up to the moment and time to time. I'm not going against him again, because I went against him against Errol, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it, I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it.
Speaker 3:I'm not doing it. I got two things to say now. Now I have one. Now I got two. One of the things I have to say, because you said that he's a dog, right, yeah, that can be a plus or it can work against him. You know what I'm saying? Because he's the type of dude that sometimes when he gets hit, he want to get hit right back. He likes to maintain his dominance. He don't like to feel like he's being dominated there's a time and place to take over and then want to just let something ride out. You know what I'm saying. If you get clipped, sometimes you got to stay a little calm and then let the time pass, and then you'll get it back.
Speaker 1:That's a life period.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah yeah, you got to be strategic. Sometimes there are moments when Crawford is not like that, like he would want to get it right back, and that's how you get clipped again. You know if Canelo is knowledgeable and if he knows that, then you know that's what he could capitalize on, right. But then you mentioned how you know he shows up and if he knows that, then that's what he could capitalize on. But then you mentioned how he shows up for the time, for the right time. If you notice, this is a different thing with Crawford, bro. His in-between fights could be a little lackluster, with the Cavalli-Waskis fight, the Majumor fight, the in-between fights. But those big fights with those big names.
Speaker 3:He shows up every damn time and he's sharp. You'll think that you've seen the sharpest Crawford and then his next big name fight, he's even sharper. You know what I'm saying. Like bro the dude, he knows how to lock in and I expect nothing less. Coming into this Canelo Alvarez fight, the intensity that I felt when he was during the fight week festivities during the Spence fight was wild. He was so intense Really what that man during the press conference and the way he was talking and the lack of words he was using. But the way when he said what he said, you felt it.
Speaker 2:You felt the aura. You felt the aura.
Speaker 3:It was mad intimidating bro. I'm like yo, that dude is legit scary and I wouldn't want to be against him. I ain't gonna lie, I ain't tell you, yeah. And then his wrestling background that you mentioned as well too. People don't think about that. I remember I was watching him doing the wrestling stuff. That's another thing. I don't play fight with the dude, no more. He play too much bro.
Speaker 2:I can't. He's always play fighting with people. Pick him up.
Speaker 3:I do not he be doing too much gang.
Speaker 2:I saw that he was like wrestling Jarrell Miller yeah, bro, he's strong though he's like why are you so strong?
Speaker 3:Relax bro.
Speaker 1:That's that wrestling strength. That wrestling strength is different Bro.
Speaker 3:I remember watching him Watch that fight with him and Sean Porter. You know, sean he going to wheel?
Speaker 2:you up.
Speaker 3:Rest you, whatever. Whatever he going to be on your face. Bro tell me why Crawford is back against the rope right and I don't think nobody peeped it, because I'm the only one that can say something about this. Like Crawford's back is on the rope, cameron Walsh-Round was and he's in a clinch plate Sean. He looks and smiles at Sean and then just turns back from the rope. I'm like, oh nah. Like he's different.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bro, that wrestling background and we, we, we heard from um, we, we talked to a few guys that were in usix camp, right, and he said they, when he was training for tyson fury, he implemented wrestling. Uh, giovanni scuderi, he's a cruiserweight. He was telling us, he's like uh, usic, he's like in the camp he did a lotiserweight. He was telling us, he's like Usyk, he's like in the camp he did a lot of wrestling. It was crazy, like after a workout he would do wrestling to get ready for Fury, like leaning on him and stuff and look how good Usyk is. So it's yeah, yeah you gotta start wrestling, man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's wrestling foundations and when you're clinching, bro, you got to like have your hand a certain way or have your body, you know, positioned a certain way so you don't be able to balance, or for you to be able to push your opponent back, like just hand positioning. All that type of stuff. Like there's a lot of wrestling foundations in clinching.
Speaker 1:That shit helped me a lot in life. I've been wrestling since I was little. Really my boy Nick Flynn, he was nice.
Speaker 2:He was nice, my boy.
Speaker 1:Nick Flynn. He was nice. He lives right in Kobe. He was nice. He used to win everything. I used to be his wrestling partner. I didn't win shit Enough about Willie's career.
Speaker 2:Shushu, you've said enough, listen. You got fans for life over here, as usual, I appreciate that. Maybe yeah always I was heartbroken. I was in Florida, I had to do some things with the lady.
Speaker 3:I can't take everything, of course.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wasn't at the last fight, but maybe I'll see you on HBO, not HBO After Dark. Yo, thanks for the time. As usual, man, we'll see you around, we'll bump into you again as always, you already know Been a pleasure.
Speaker 3:Thank you, peace.
Speaker 2:Well, there you have it folks. Yes, sir, puma and willie and shushu on a shushu sunday. Uh, we will be back with our regular scheduled programming. We're going to end this stream now and this live catch y'all later. God damn, that was a. I love shushu man.
Speaker 1:Yes uh, he's great, bro dude, he speaks so well speak so well he's speaks so well, he's articulate Great dude.
Speaker 2:My one friend keeps popping in and every time he pops in we leave. He just said, seriously, again, let him know that we actually just interviewed someone. We did an hour interview, peace.