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The Greatest Card in Years: From Lineup to Knockouts/Part 1 (2 Part Episode)
Boxing reached new heights in NY this weekend as one of the days we ventured to Louis Armstrong Stadium for what might be the greatest boxing card in decades. From our incredible ringside seats, we witnessed boxing history unfold in a venue that transformed from tennis court to gladiator arena. The Spar-Inn recaps all the headlining fights to include in part 2 a preview of Usyk/Dubois II card, Pacqious return, to include a preview of Jesse "Bam" Rodriguez's return as well.
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Speaker 2:Oh, it's a knockout I just did, it right, yo. What up y'all? Crazy boxing weekend. We are here with punchlines and willie yo uh, willie, willie and I are a little tired. We uh'm done. You may have saw us on TV. We're famous right Punch.
Speaker 3:Bro, I definitely saw you all on TV. I geeked the fuck out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we was right there. So this weekend we were at. We didn't go to the Amanda Serrano-Katie Taylor fight, but we were at the Berlanga Shiraz and Shakur card and thank God we went, because what a fucking card it was it was worth it oh so worth it probably the best card like this isn't even hyperbole.
Speaker 2:That's probably the best card I've seen, beginning to end, to be honest dude, I was gonna say that definitely, like the the past like three years, I'd say, beginning to end yeah, like that was roller coaster bro that was. That was insane dude, and you guys were right there, dude, that's so fire. Yeah, I'm very. Look, I got my little. We got a little ringside pass.
Speaker 1:It's crazy. I was going to rock my shit.
Speaker 2:We're official. I might sleep with this on A whole box everything. I'm not going to lie yo when, when you sit there like I've sat we've sat ringside a bunch of well on the floor a bunch of times you know Turk and his promotion hook it up, you get free ring magazines. This is like a collector's item. It came in like a special collector box. Like it was pretty cool. I got to give Turk that and you know I don't usually, I don't give Turk credit often, but this card really really cemented him. Okay, you're doing the right thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's awesome that you guys got to experience that.
Speaker 1:That's so sick so shout out to the ticket guy. I don't want to say his name, Nah, nah.
Speaker 2:Jim Boone man KO tickets. If you need tickets, go to Jim Boone.
Speaker 1:KO tickets. Shout out to Jim Boone man, Cool guy, he was there. Shout out to my other boy.
Speaker 2:Tell them about. We just got to recap the fight quick before we get into it. But tell Punch and the fans about the dude Nick next to us All right.
Speaker 1:So Nick is some financial guy man. He's a cool guy, but he brought binoculars to the guy you got to describe him first.
Speaker 2:He's your typical New York City looking well-dressed, very well-dressed, but I don't want to say hipster, but like he had like a, not a suit but like a half business casual outfit on, uh, beige, with like the brown socks, nice dress shoes, and it was hot in there. That was the only. The only downfall was it was really hot in there yeah and he kept the jacket on like nice combed hair like glasses. Nice guy, awesome guy, real boxing nerd bro, just like us.
Speaker 1:That's how you know you're a real New Yorker. You don't even know how to drive. He's almost 40.
Speaker 2:Wait, he's how old he's at you were talking to him.
Speaker 1:He's like 40 years old, or almost 40, and he never had a license.
Speaker 2:But yo, he did some shit that I'm sure you've never seen. I've never seen. I don't think anybody's ever seen this shit. Go ahead, explain it. He had binoculars.
Speaker 1:Remember where we're sitting On the second row and like high-tech binoculars so you can zoom in, had two dial-ups. Extra lenses is like I might weigh, and he already got glasses on.
Speaker 2:We didn't know why we're like yo. This guy's a little weird, what's going on. But Willie tried it. Willie was like I got to try this. He knew his boxing dude. It was crazy. He knew his shit, it was cool, it was real cool as hell. Willie asked me yo can I try? What did you see?
Speaker 1:Willie, that's a different experience. You could see every punch close up. I was staring at Shakur's face. I was staring, I was like you know, shakur, you see me, bro, I see you, I see everything, I see you.
Speaker 2:Snap flowing out everywhere and like you're kind of in the ring with them. If you're that close and and you know binoculars are like hd vision, like it's, it's like looking yeah so I see why he does it, because that shit was cool as hell.
Speaker 1:I'm like yo wait, hold on, what are you doing? He's like oh yo you never, tried it here. I'm like yo that's and bro.
Speaker 2:I don't want to paint him as like a nerd because he was cool as shit. He was like a bot. He was just a nerd because he was cool as shit. He was just a boxing nerd. He was a nerd with his boxing, which is the people we like.
Speaker 1:It was awesome bro, yeah, but he went to Usyk.
Speaker 2:Fury 1. He said that was crazy. Yeah, he went to the first one, right, he went by himself.
Speaker 1:I think it was in Saudi. He went to Saudi to win the place. He was, by himself, saudi. I think it was in Saudi. Yeah, he went to. Saudi to win the fight. He was by himself too.
Speaker 2:I'm like yo, you are crazy, but let's talk about the venue itself first, and then our experiences, and then we'll get into the fights. We have a lot to talk about today, people. It's probably going to go over an hour. We're going to try and keep it as short and quick as we can, but it's definitely going over. Now there's too much to talk about. We're going to obviously talk about the Serrano card. We're going to talk about the card of the year, probably or maybe the century, you could argue which was the one we attended. What we're talking about and then we're going to preview this coming Saturday is a full day of boxing. We're going to preview the main fights on those cards as well.
Speaker 2:But the venue itself for for our little experience, our little field trip, sparring took a little field trip. If you're just tuning in um that venue, right at first going in, we heard about the shrinking ring, we heard all this stuff and we're all thinking turk's gonna fuck it up, turk's gonna fuck it up, bro. That venue, every seat I'm looking up, was a great seat. And the reason why, I guess because when you're on a tennis court, right, like when you go to a basketball game a hockey game, not so much a baseball game, that's kind of a point, a good thing I just thought of.
Speaker 2:Actually Like any other event indoors, though, right, there's always a jumbotron coming down and there's always blind spots, so you're not going to see it all from all the seats if you're sitting nosebleeds. Right, dude, tennis, they had it like on the walls. Right, they had the screen like the scores, whatever the fuck you want called the jumbotrons or whatever the big screens on the walls, and there was no obstructions. So it was like a dome. You were like in a fishbowl. It was almost like like some gladiator shit, like, yeah, you, the ring was just in the middle. And, dude, I'm looking around, I'm like yo, every seat is perfect, like every seat you got your money worth every seat.
Speaker 2:And then they did another cool thing and I think this was like by accident, because the the workers there aren't used to like boxing matches and like tennis. Players play tennis and leave, right, everyone always mingles after a boxing match. You know, they kind of just let all the fans like come on down, so like it it was. It was actually probably not cool for the fighters and stuff and the people it's a little dangerous. Yeah, but, but it was, it was good to see like no, yeah, they didn't know.
Speaker 3:but they didn't know, yeah, they didn't know, but I couldn't think of two more opposite sports, to be honest, yeah yeah, yeah, Total opposite.
Speaker 2:But I'm not going to lie, dude, I would 100% go to a fight there again. And even if we weren't sitting ringside which I mean, obviously we're going to try to, but if we weren't sitting ringside there's so many, Every seat is good, dude. Every fucking seat was good, and we're not the only ones that said that. We're like wow, the only thing was it was fucking steaming hot, but you forget, you're outside.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was going to say it was like the way it looked on screen was that it was outside, but it was like the perimeter of the stadium was open and then there was like a is that like an architectural roof thing.
Speaker 2:It looked like a tent, almost like a giant high quality. It kind of looked like it was closed, but you wasn't closed.
Speaker 1:You were still outside and then there was bugs flying on this girl's head.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yo, a bug flew in the ring and I've never been to an outdoor pro fight, so that was kind of cool to see they were flying.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. They probably was taking some Shakur sweat.
Speaker 2:You know how I knew, though I really felt that we were at a tennis when we were ordering drinks, right, Because I imagine tennis fans don't drink boxing hooligans. So I'm like we go get the drinks. Yo, the cups were tiny man, Same price, but tiny as hell.
Speaker 1:That was $20 a cup.
Speaker 2:Yeah, $20. It wasn't a Dixie cup, but it was like one up. It was yeah Trash. Another thing Turk did. That was amazing. Honestly, I'm Team Turk now this experience. Yo, he's learning and he's doing the right things because these fights got rolling, dude.
Speaker 3:He got rid of the fucking concerts, which was huge.
Speaker 2:Yep Major, major, major major.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it wasn't that much downtime.
Speaker 2:No dude. What was the first fight? Was it Supriya?
Speaker 3:He's a guy who. It was a Japanese guy.
Speaker 2:So we walked in. We got there a little late, we didn't get to see him, we. So we walked in. We got there a little late, we didn't get to see him. We walked in on him knocking the dude out, yeah, and I kind of figured that, because he didn't get a knockout last time and the ring is trying to push him. His shorts were fire, though those shorts were fucking fire, was it?
Speaker 2:no, subrio wasn't the main one no it was Morel, it was Morel, it was Morel, so it no. So it's still daylight out and all of a sudden I'm like, oh wait, that's the cat-tip guy. He's coming out. Holy shit it was early.
Speaker 3:And daylight.
Speaker 2:I'm like, oh, they're getting this rolling. And it was good actually, because I got a good night's sleep. I got home, we ate, and I got home at 2.30.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we got home kind of early, 2.30, decided to take the train late. How?
Speaker 3:many people were there when that Morel fight was on, because the fight before that, that bitch, was empty.
Speaker 2:So it was. That's the only, I guess, downfall. I guess boxing fans didn't really expect to roll like that. But, going forward, if he's going to be in the boxing game this long in America, get there early and see all the good fights. Because, yeah, it was fucking. Yeah, people probably were just late.
Speaker 1:They were coming in. It was hella traffic right there too.
Speaker 2:That's another gripe, I guess.
Speaker 1:We got there at a decent time. It was hella traffic Crazy. You had to park at Cityfield On the way in, though they know it was so close to Cityfield. You could walk Right walking distance.
Speaker 2:Right next door.
Speaker 1:I never even seen that building.
Speaker 2:I don't even know where that's at I still don't even know where it's at. I would, and everybody agreed with me that went there 150%. They should throw more boxing events there. Yeah, that was awesome, that was awesome.
Speaker 1:The only thing is, that thing is only at summertime, probably. Yeah, definitely yeah, you couldn't do that shit in the fall and winter Probably get pneumonia.
Speaker 2:But dude, it was sick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that show was crazy.
Speaker 2:So we went and again, this is going to be a longer show because we're going to talk about our experience and then chop up the fights and go into detail. We went and we rose our my first ever co-host is why the sparring started my good, dear friend Fossil His name is actually Fossil we rose him from the dead. He came. He's a real boxing fan too. I got to give him some credit. He was so starstruck Willie and I we're still starstruck, but we just got used to it in a sense I'm used to just going up to them now yeah.
Speaker 2:We were like yo, fossil, can you take a picture? Was it? Who? Was it who? Oh, it was fucking Abdullah Mason. Yeah, we're like yo, fossil, can you take a picture of us, of Abdullah Mason? He was like nervous, fumbling the phone.
Speaker 1:Yo chill, take the, but I get it it was good to see like he had a good time though all the fighters and all the fighters, every single one of them.
Speaker 2:I ain't gonna lie. Shout out to y'all yardy.
Speaker 1:Yo anthony yarder. Cool, I was about to have a dance battle with him like I'm a I'm a benavides fan.
Speaker 2:Right, you are too. We all are benavides fans. Uh, after you're not, you're not a fan. No, no, okay. But like after meeting yarday, right, like I never met benavides, I just I like that he's a dog in the ring, I kind of like that, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:After meeting and I always root for the American, but after meeting Yardé it's going to be hard because, dude, he was so cool, cool as shit he actually said he might come on the show. Actually, the three fighters said three big-time fighters said he might come on the show.
Speaker 1:Actually, the three fighters said three big-time fighters said they might come on the show. When they said talk to the managers. Yeah, that's what I guess, yeah.
Speaker 2:Also, too, brian Norman Jr was there. He actually when we were leaving. He's like yo, what's your podcast? I'm going to hit him up and try to get him on the show Again. No promises, I don't know. They don't owe us nothing.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, definitely I think Brian would definitely come on he actually like yo. He made shows. Like what podcast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1:He probably seen it. He probably. Yeah, I noticed he's looked at our stuff too.
Speaker 2:If it Kirk didn't think about or maybe he did because he loves the drama was the seating assignments.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, no, the drama, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, they did a smart good-ass job. Yeah, it worked.
Speaker 1:They loved the drama but then I did not know Remy Ma was out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was out there.
Speaker 1:Walking out.
Speaker 2:I did not know, I did not see her. Bro and Clarissa was there. I thought they were just overplaying the song. So you know the drama with that right, the Remy Ma and Clarissa Shields drama.
Speaker 3:I can't keep up with everybody. Clarissa True.
Speaker 1:That's totally true. Well, you know, Papoose and Clarissa's together.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:Remy, ma and Papoose was together and shit, and you know they got this whole fake beef. Well, they got real beef. I guess you know talking shit to each other and all that.
Speaker 2:It's like rat beef, yeah, well, pretty much they got a boyfriend in common.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a man in common.
Speaker 2:They just left each other for different relationships, but they both were like talking a lot of shit going back and forth. Well, actually Remy Ma was just talking a lot of shit going back and forth and then something happened. I guess they have a kid in common, Papoose and her Long story short. It hit the real tabloids, it hit the real world. It was all over the media and she was there. I guess she's from Queens, right, is she from Queens?
Speaker 1:I forgot where she's from.
Speaker 2:Whatever she's from New York, but Clarissa was there.
Speaker 3:She's Nas. Nas is for sure from Queens.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think she might be from Queens.
Speaker 1:But she's Terra Squad, so she was going to be there.
Speaker 2:anyway, it was Clarissa's show. It was Remy Ma's hometown but Clarissa's house, because she's a real boxer, obviously.
Speaker 3:When you're surrounded by boxers she was in Clarissa's domain, for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:But they had Remy on the other side of the ring and her and Schiltz was on our side.
Speaker 3:What is Remy going to do anyway? What is she?
Speaker 2:going to do to Clarissa Schiltz bro. She is a little hood though In the streets.
Speaker 3:Clarissa is not hood. No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:Clarissa is hood?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but when you're hood, no, no, no, no, no, no. We talking about a shoe or something when you're home. Hood, you gotta stay in your hood.
Speaker 1:You can't go hood for hood. Carissa might snub somebody, but she might get jailed just because her hands is illegal right.
Speaker 3:That's not a real thing. That's not a real thing.
Speaker 1:I thought that was real the whole time. That's like my fucker% C-Red bro.
Speaker 3:That shit ain't real.
Speaker 2:It might not help like a court case, but it's not real.
Speaker 1:Oh, I thought that was a real thing, man.
Speaker 2:But nah. So not only those seats, though, but then go ahead. Will you tell them who we were in the middle of? So behind us?
Speaker 1:I'll oh shit. Yeah, we was in the middle of.
Speaker 2:So Brian Norman Jr was to our right, to our right. We had.
Speaker 3:They had him that close to Haney.
Speaker 1:Yeah so.
Speaker 2:Richardson Hitchens is right behind us, right behind us. Haney is just to the left.
Speaker 1:So we're like, I'm sitting there and I'm like we're in the middle of a triangle love thing going on. I'm like what?
Speaker 2:the fuck. I stood up I said I'm too white for this shit.
Speaker 1:I'm too white for this shit, and then Debo not too far.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tell them about Debo yeah well, we nicknamed him Debo.
Speaker 1:What happened last? What he did to Brian Norman?
Speaker 2:He don't know, debo, that was.
Speaker 1:Devin Haney's security guard.
Speaker 3:Bro, so have you I think his name's Tank.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to lie to you, it is. Someone said that and I was like wait, oh, that's Tank. I think it was Tank or Truck or Turk, not Turk, I'm dead. I did hear. I'm glad you brought that up because I forgot what his actual nickname was. His new name is Debo, but Willie called him Debo and he asked Haney, he's like yo, can I get a picture with Debo? And then Haney had an interaction and he asked he's like you can ask him, you can ask him. So Willie asked him he's like yo, devo, can I get a picture? He just yo. He stood the whole fucking fight. I don't know how he was allowed in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:He stood have you ever seen Game of Thrones?
Speaker 2:Yeah, kind of but you a character in Game of Thrones, right, she's like the I don't know the hot blonde princess. She actually winds up banging her brother or something. But whatever, khaleesi Not Khaleesi, no, she bangs her brother too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why are you watching this? This is a bunch of incest.
Speaker 2:I hate that show I got to just say this analogy, though, because it's so good, I forget the chicken Game of Thrones. Whatever she gets this guy right, the security guard right. Basically, they bring him back from the dead. And his name was the Mountain before that and he was just fucking everybody up, right, the dude that killed Pedro Pascal. Yeah, yeah, the Mountain, the Mountain. He's fucking killed everybody. They bring him back from the dead, right. His job now is just to stand there and protect Cersei. Whatever One of the bigwigs Protect Cersei. That's what it looked like with Haney. This dude, deebo bro, was just standing the whole time and he's just there to protect Haney. And then they tried to get Haney out of there. He walked, bro. He had the gloves on with the hard plastic like the work gloves. Yeah, I'm like bro in a plaid shirt. I'm like who the fuck is this guy?
Speaker 1:he's just standing the whole fight, plaid flannel have. That was definitely I had to call debo. I'm like, yeah, that's I gotta give.
Speaker 2:I gotta give brian norman jr props, though, because he wore a white t-shirt again.
Speaker 1:I got a million of these. I'm like, bro, you need to make a white t-shirt brand.
Speaker 3:I've heard some crazy stories about that Tank guy.
Speaker 2:Dude, he's a I don't want to say he's emotionally disturbed, but I'm saying I would not fight that guy Even if I knew I could beat him.
Speaker 1:I would not fight that guy, Even if I knew I could beat him. I would not fight that guy. That shit was so funny because I said that shit and Devin started dying laughing he said Devo. Oh, he started laughing.
Speaker 2:Willie asked him for a picture. He goes sorry, devin's like sorry, he's weird like that. He gets weird like that. He's like yo ask him, ask him.
Speaker 1:I'm like yo, yo he looked was crazy.
Speaker 3:I'm like what the he's like you think it's an act, you think he's just like doing it? Nah, bro.
Speaker 2:I would he's famous.
Speaker 1:Now, bro, he's low-key famous now. I would, I would, he could make it a whole thing.
Speaker 2:If that video didn't go viral before with the Brian Norman Jr, I'd say it's an act.
Speaker 3:But yo he yeah that dude's knocked people out just for talking shit to Haney at like Top Rank Gym.
Speaker 2:I'm glad. I'm so glad I stayed sober for this fight. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:So happy I stayed sober, but Devin was cool as hell. I ain't gonna lie, he was talking to us, and then he was talking to Richard and all that. Yeah, he was just cool and.
Speaker 2:I talk—this is my problem with, like, with going to these fights and and as you, you could, you could agree with this Like, when we talk and give opinions, man, it's just what we see in the clips people chop up, but then when you actually meet them as a person, so like, I got to just let let that out, because every fighter I meet, for the most part there's a few that are a-holes, but most of the fighters I meet I'd say about 80% of them aren't a-holes and you know, when we talk, it's just the clips people chop up and them interacting with other fighters, so we form an opinion and speak about it. Yeah, we don't like him Because I've talked a lot of shit about Haney and he's actually not a bad guy.
Speaker 1:He's actually somebody I'd probably get along with and hang out with and get along with and hang out with and.
Speaker 2:Bill are both really cool. Yeah, Bill actually is the coolest, one of the coolest guys I've ever met.
Speaker 1:He talk wild shit, and then next thing you be like yo King da-da-da. He be like shake your hand and all that shit.
Speaker 2:But, honestly, being to a lot of fights and then we're gonna get into the fight sooner or later but being to a lot of fights and mingling with fighters sitting where we sit and stuff I'm not bragging that's why we do it. It's to mingle with the fighters, that's why we do it. Richardson Hitchens is by far one of the coolest dudes fighter-wise I've ever met, bro, he was sitting with us, talking with us, giving us his opinion and like bro, he was sitting with us, talking with us, giving us his opinion.
Speaker 2:Asking us yeah, asking y'all's opinion too. And, like bro, two guys on his radar, pueyo versus Matias. He's watching it live with us. So it was like chilling, with another belt holder watching a live fight and getting a guy that could fight him fight one of them. His perspective was I was in a non-gay way, I was rock hard. Like it was amazing. It was good.
Speaker 1:And he said that's what he said, either one of them, that's what he said Either one of them so I overheard him talking to somebody behind me.
Speaker 2:I got really big, goofy Italian ears and I overheard him talking and they were like oh, they were like what's next for you? And he was like either Tiafimo or one of these two and that's awesome, that's good for the fight fans man.
Speaker 3:Well, it ain't one of them two. Now we know that.
Speaker 2:What do you mean? What happened?
Speaker 3:What do you mean? What happened bro? Turkey never.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 3:Dalton. Dalton or whatever We'll get to perky punk the fuck out of Matias bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true, dalton, fucking. Actually we didn't. You need to explain that when we get to it, because we were there live and we didn't really hear the when you're live, you don't really hear.
Speaker 1:I didn't see them. After every fight we went to go get drinks, yeah that's right, or went to take bitches.
Speaker 3:That's another thing, another vantage point that I got Y'all are other than how electric and amazing that card was y'all are so lucky you didn't have to listen to the commentary. Bro, If I ever have to listen to Sergio Mora and Antonio Tarver again, I'm going to fucking shoot myself. So.
Speaker 2:Sergio Mora with me right.
Speaker 1:Sergio Mora, you're not the only one that said that. My cousin said it. I showed you the text. I showed you the text.
Speaker 2:He's like yo horrible and Sergio Mora will make a good take, but when it's a Latino fighter versus anybody else, I'm like dude, come on. I get it Like everyone has an implicit bias, but come on bro.
Speaker 3:Like, come on bro, like what the fuck man? I want to see what my cousin is at. And Tarver was like I don't know. Tarver's got to be the smartest guy on the broadcast. And then, to top it off, they have Mannix. It was just like.
Speaker 2:You know who's really good, who was on, and we're going to talk about it too. We're just going to go on a rant.
Speaker 3:Whatever?
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh-huh, hey, you called it like he, he is really, really, really, really good at commentating man he called that bum ass.
Speaker 3:Ref out too on the, on the I'm glad I did.
Speaker 2:I want to see, I want to see andre ward, paulie malinaggi and I and you could throw jim lampley in there too, man, and I know know he rambles on sometimes, but you need him.
Speaker 3:Get Gus Bradley calling fights again. Yeah yeah Go ahead Amazing fight announcer.
Speaker 1:My cousin Justin said Antonio Tarver is calling this fight horribly yeah.
Speaker 2:Awful. You know who's another guy and again, I speak on him a lot he's a friend of mine. But Steve Kim, he's very opinionated and a little forceful with it, but when he's calling a fight, bro, he doesn't hold back. He don't care if he's your friend. So that's what you want. You want, I guess, an expert's opinion and don't hold back. You know who else is really good.
Speaker 3:Just last thing Go ahead. The fighter, Michael Fox. He calls these local fights that are on TV in the DMV area.
Speaker 2:He's really good, very good. I have to look him up. I thought you were talking about someone else. I'm going to have to look him up then. No, the guy that just fought Bo Hachuk. Oh, you are talking about him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, really I've never heard him on on the announcements. So well he does. Local fights in the in the pmv area, like the I think it's the same cards that he fights on out there, those the the jeter promotion that are like in maryland he'll call for sometimes. He does a very good job that's sick.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna have to look that up because I didn't. I didn't even know he had that to him, so that's awesome, you're very good, I have one more person, though.
Speaker 1:We had that to him, so that's awesome, he's very good. I have one more person, though. We had the you know, saying his very special heart to my heart, oh God. That was sitting right directly behind me.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I share that.
Speaker 1:I really like manifest that. I think because I was like yo if she you were in a pickle, willie, you were in a pickle. I was kind of so not really, not really, because Alicia Baumgartner was right there with her beautiful self man. She was right behind the ship with my hand. You know, I smelt my hand afterwards, kind of weird. I didn't want to wash my hand, but she was mad, cool, chill she was who else?
Speaker 2:There's a lot. Amari Cooper was there. He was in good spirits.
Speaker 1:Oh man Streamers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Sneeko, my boy Sneeko, I be watching this shit.
Speaker 2:Who's the bodega guy?
Speaker 1:Oh the awkward there.
Speaker 2:This is funny, yo, you're the only the awkward there.
Speaker 1:You know the awkward, you know the awkward he be like yeah. And he had everybody come in there and make their own chopped cheese or whatever they want. The Aki way, yeah, Aki Dude this is like what is that water.
Speaker 2:No, bro, this is, I'm sorry, off subject, but I'm drinking beer today. I usually drink tequila, but I was like you know, I haven't had beer in a while and I'm feeling too skinny. Let me pump this gut up.
Speaker 3:I got drunk last pot I did with y'all and I haven't had a sip since, Not even half an hour I could tell.
Speaker 2:You were drunk last pot. Yeah, towards the end, though, I could tell he was like we were rambling.
Speaker 3:I'm like this guy's drunk.
Speaker 2:I had four of those cut two days I you know I'm not gonna lie like I'm all over the place, but this podcast, like brings, I look forward to just drinking and talking about boxing like that's like it's gonna sound really, really, really pathetic. That was been like my dream in life. So so, whatever happens, going forward I've achieved.
Speaker 3:My dream is to do something around like what they love the most bro but this is very like, we're very game of thrones.
Speaker 2:I just realized I'm drinking stormborn beer by sand city brewing co and it's actually long island, north port. I was feeling. I was feeling like different. I was like, oh, that's a cool.
Speaker 3:I didn't even read it, where their logo almost looks like a saw blade or something yeah, yeah, yeah, that's them yeah, my, one of the guys I was maybe with. He was always asking me to send some of that shit out there to him when I lived there.
Speaker 2:Really Look how cool this can is.
Speaker 3:Long Island to get that for you. Let me see it.
Speaker 2:I can't see, I don't know if I can hold it close enough Dude you're like the dick on my screen, sorry. It's a really cool, can I'll send you a picture. Picture, but really good beer too. Sand city brewing in long island, oh you didn't get a drink.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah that's how I think that sounds too. But grab your shit. But yeah, bro, back to boxing. Sorry, um, again, we're all over the fucking place. Crazy, crazy, crazy. Good experience, fun time, uh, and what made it even better was the fights itself. Let's get right into it. I will. Uh, actually, before we get right into it, let's talk about friday. We get right into it. Let's talk about Friday night first. I'm not going to go over the entire female card. Listen, female boxing is what it is. It's very talented females. A lot of them have the same attributes physically, so the power, and there's a lot of equalness in female boxing. So it is what it is. The card was a little lackluster. There was one major upset. We got to speak on Willie. I called it Willie. Willie hit that one on the fucking head. Go ahead, willie. Tell him.
Speaker 1:Sadesha, how you say her name? Sadesha Sadesha Green? How'd you not know that? I don't know how that shit is a ghetto ass name. I ain't gonna lie. Yeah, but this was uh crazy because she was in there with a tough competitor. She, the girl, was. Where was she fought? Uh, she fought both. Uh, carissa and um who else it was? Uh, she fought, carissa and um, who Dizern?
Speaker 2:Yeah, cruz Dizern, she fought, she fought she fought tough people.
Speaker 1:Who the fuck is she with? It was Carissa and somebody else, right.
Speaker 2:I'm having a brain fart. I'm having a brain fart too. But whatever, just speak on the fight.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, oh, shadeja came back. She was losing the beginning of the fight, but she definitely came back along. She came back along early in the fight, though it was like fourth round maybe. She started taking over countering. I'm like yo, she's slick, she's slick and she was catching them early. I was like yo, I didn't know in the beginning of the fight how I was going to pan out, because we knew how tough the girl was Minus no, plus, she was plus 400. And it ended up some dude was like he hit me up. Like yo, I'll tell your bet. Whatever case, it is.
Speaker 2:He called it live. Shout out to this dude Tapatio Combate. He started following us because when we first started, we were doing a lot of gambling and betting.
Speaker 3:I'm telling you, it's Tapatio.
Speaker 2:I swear, oh, first started we were doing a lot of like gambling and betting. I'm telling you it's tapatio. I swear, oh, yeah, same guy I shouted out before I'm not gonna shout him out again. But he he texted me. He was like about the pics I reposted and I was like, oh that's my co-host willie, so he hit willie up.
Speaker 1:Yo shout out to that guy bro yeah, he's, oh, he's cool as hell bro um he, he caught it live at like yo he bets on boxing like yo.
Speaker 2:Give him a follow. He bets on boxing a lot. He don't really post much, but pick his brain. He's a boxing gambler, which is cool to see. That was a big upset. Willie's parlay. Willie's parlay almost hit man Almost hit man Bullshit. We would have went out after this fight if it hit.
Speaker 1:Yeah right.
Speaker 3:Yo fuck, you were one leg off, weren't you? Yeah, I should have cashed out. What was it? Six leg.
Speaker 1:Six leg parlay, something like that. I don't even remember. Honestly, now I was just putting me parlay, but a six leg parlay with a plus 400 pick on it is crazy.
Speaker 2:And he was one off on a minus 200 and something. And we're going to get right into Amanda Serrano versus Katie Taylor III Before we start roasting people and giving our emphatic opinions. Listen, I've been to MSG a million times. That's like our home base, right, the main room. Whether it's their fault or a combination of everything like we talked about on last episode, they fucking sold out the main room together. All right, it was no one else that sold out the main room and they did that as female boxers and, as everyone knows, female boxing is not boxing itself is not very popular to regular the regular Americans right now. So the fanatics yes, female boxing is much lower bro they filled every seat it looked like it anyway in the main room. I don't know what the numbers were, but that place was fucking electric.
Speaker 2:we loud loud and we spoke to a few of our little podcast cronies, the everyone run around. They were like yo, where were you guys? That place was crazy. So we gotta we gotta give them their props where it's due. But that's what happens when the best fight the best, and I will say it was a very lackluster fight. Punch, go ahead. What did you think about it? Don't be too mean.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not going to be mean. I was frustrated because it's like the first two fights were amazing, which credits to them for that. So it set our expectations high for this third one. The first two fights were amazing, which credits to them for that. So it set our expectations high for this third one. Uh, I think they knew each other too well. I think, uh, amanda's power made Katie timid. Uh, uh, maybe Katie's head from the last fight made in Manitowoc, I don't know, but Amanda is the same thing Willie was griping about, like don't wear those Jordanda is the same thing willie was griping about, like don't wear those jordans, and she looks yeah looks slow.
Speaker 2:I angles were bad all night yep, and that that also could be like the footwork, like getting angles as footwork. Not that she has bad feet or slow feet, but like the shoes yeah, and the shoot jordan ones. They're for like skateboarding, bro, and they're heavy like. I know they were made for basketball but they're not made for cutting and stuff. They're jordan one. They're not even made for basketball. Yeah, jordan's been out forever, like converse is.
Speaker 1:They're basically a converse soul like she should have just did. What belanga did? You see his fives?
Speaker 3:oh man, I'm just yeah, I turned off the tsSDK conference for making those, by the way.
Speaker 2:Those were fire shoes. One of Belanga's fans actually off topic, Well, not off topic, but the guy sitting to the left, Willie, was like damn, you got the fives on, Bro. This guy was a Belanga diehard. He only came for the Belanga fight.
Speaker 1:I think it was his cousins, though oh, was it his cousins? It must have been somebody, Because they knew everything. They knew where he got him from and everything what he said.
Speaker 2:They sat right next to us. They only came for Belanga. Those are pricey seats, so yeah, it must have been family. And then left. They were like. Willie was like oh damn, he got the fives on and these dudes are like yo. Those are the boxing fives.
Speaker 1:Blah, blah, blah. Boxing fives. Those are not no regular fives, they're the boxing fives. They were cool. He's awesome.
Speaker 3:I actually got him signed to Adams as well, so he's going to start customizing a lot of our shoes, but he's a great dude. He's really good at what he does.
Speaker 2:Bro, he's tat.
Speaker 1:He did a great job with those. Those were cool.
Speaker 2:Back to Amanda yeah, Listen, I'm just going to. She chose a bad. There's a bunch of things I think went wrong One. She chose a bad spot, a bad time to change her style up or do a switch up. I understand the team was trying to make something different, but you can't fight an Olympic gold medalist in an Olympic style when that's not your style. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:She also not only did she change her style for that fight, but when it wasn't working, because it wasn't, she didn't change her style in the fight she kept doing the same, like she was so predictable, katie, would her escape to her left, to katie's left, amanda's right, the whole fight? Yep, because she knew what you were doing, because you would do the same things. Like, yeah, I was losing my mind, because it was like if she would just faint and then step to cut katie off and throw, or at least a right hook every now and then, like you just came in with them straight shit.
Speaker 2:Or just chin down and brawl like you have in the past two fights where you had success. Yeah, and another thing, though, based off that, is it's hard to do that when you're such good friends with your opponent and after two wars that they had, it's kind of like a Torogati war After two wars like that, when you have you, you gain a bond, like like we went to war twice, like I, I love she literally couldn't talk shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she literally could not talk any shit during the press up any of this fight and then you add, you add the element of how much money they've made off those two. It's it's hard to get up for fights.
Speaker 1:I was so pissed off. When she's sitting there trying to outbox a boxer bro, that's not just a boxer.
Speaker 2:You moved up two weight classes. You're fighting an Olympic gold medalist and you arguably, in my opinion, won both of the fights prior to that, but you took an L and they were close. They were close, and now you're going to change your style in something that worked and try to like out.
Speaker 1:Point her. I don't understand Was the game, how the game plan, turned into brawling and roughing up to shadowboxing yourself, like you shadowboxing in the middle of the ring.
Speaker 3:I don't get it, shame on her corner too, for not, yeah, just don't want to out there, or maybe they did I don't know I, but I had a watch on my damn phone. No, in in the corner, he kept telling her. He kept telling her throw that stupid ass.
Speaker 2:Fucking one, two, yeah and dude she was someone I know you posted a funny meme, but someone posted she was shadow boxing and again I, I, I I'm not trying to roast, am Serrano, I'm just calling what I saw Because I do. She's one of my, she brought, she put Her, and Katie Taylor and Jake Paul have put female boxing in a place it hasn't been in years, years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, arguably one of the best ever in boxes that we ever seen or ever.
Speaker 3:Arguably ever. I'm with you, though I don't want to sound like we're just so disappointed in Amanda, because you know what. Katie was in great shape for 10 rounds, and when Amanda would get her on the ropes or in the corner she'd fight out of it. She'd win those changes and then get out. You've got to give Katie her props.
Speaker 1:He's piecing them up like four times in a row, Like yeah. Like she's throwing, like fucking four to three.
Speaker 2:I was watching with a non-boxing fan. He's like dude, that Irish bitch is fucking fast. Come on, man, don't call her a bitch. He was like dude, she's so quick I can't see. I was watching. I'm like I never realized how actually fast Katie Taylor was. Bro, she's fast, she'd get out of there.
Speaker 1:She moves Her feet move she's.
Speaker 2:Olympic, she's a gold medal.
Speaker 1:She was sitting there check-hooking every time, or she would throw the right. Wait is the right. Was she a Southpaw? She's.
Speaker 2:Orthodox, she's Orthodox.
Speaker 1:So she was throwing the right on the way out, catching Amanda Sorrento while she's going her way that she needs her to go. She controlled everything about that fight. Katie controlled everything about that fight. I feel like they just didn't want to fight no more. They were like yo, this is the last one.
Speaker 2:I think after the wars they were.
Speaker 1:Katie denied the three-minute rounds. Amanda was like yo, I'm just done Again.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. Well, I was curious about that because he brought up the three-minute rounds. The fight flew by. All of them did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all of them. So.
Speaker 3:I was like, obviously the two-minute round speeds up the fight. But I was curious, so I reached out to BBG. I was like, hey, if, like you know, you've had a bunch of fights Like, the two-minute round obviously speeds it up. But does it speed your brain up too? Does it make it harder to make reads? It has to, it has to yeah. And she was like yeah. She was like it definitely speeds it up. She goes I feel like if amanda stuck to a style closer to the first, the first two, yeah, it would have been a lot better for him so of course, of course you got a brawl, but again shout out to baby girl for telling me that tell the fans who baby girl is
Speaker 1:danny ryan boy team michaela meyer over here.
Speaker 2:Team alicia but but listen, listen, um, listen to that exchange we just had, though, listen to the exchange we just had, and I want to talk about this. My, my wife asked me she goes today, she goes, layla, aliissa Shields, who would win? And I was like, think about how far women's boxing has come. My wife, she hates boxing because it fucks up our relationship. She hates boxing. And she literally said I got to ask me that, like 10 years ago, 15 years ago, you'd never hear that question, ever You'd never hear that question. You'd never hear that question, ever You'd never hear that question. So, props to all these females. Props to Amanda Serrano, katie Taylor, clarissa Shields, your baby girl, sandy Ryan, alicia Bunga, my baby girl, my future ex-wife, michaela Meyer. Shout out to all these things, because we're talking about women's boxing, bro, and that's a win in itself for everybody. Yeah, shout out to.
Speaker 2:Sugar Neeks Shout out to all of them.
Speaker 1:Shanika.
Speaker 3:Johnson.
Speaker 1:Shanika. No, she got the craziest black name.
Speaker 2:And you know what my answer to her was? I was like, listen, layla Ali was great for her time and I hate the arguments of the greats now versus the greats of the past, because a lot goes into it. You what I mean? I hate that argument actually. I hate all sports for all sports. I, I fucking hate that argument like nothing else. But I will say this the talent level now for females is way, way better and more competitive than it was back then. That's all. I'm not picking someone, but that that's all I'm gonna say but yeah, mma too like.
Speaker 3:Look at the women fighters now compared to when like.
Speaker 2:Ronda.
Speaker 3:Rousey, or even Gina Carano was champion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bro, all sports, every sport. You can't name a sport. You know what I mean, it's just different eras.
Speaker 1:Layla looked good though, bro. She is healthy bro. I don't know. She's definitely not going to win, not going to win.
Speaker 3:Did you guys see what she said over the weekend too? Because they asked about if she would come out of retirement. Lots of money 15 to 20 million, which is not going to happen.
Speaker 2:I'm not trying to hate on Layla Ali, though, but if her name was Layla Puma in that era, in that time, would we be talking about her like this? She don't need to be coming out of retirement anyway. No, no, no, and there's nothing against her, I'm just saying and unfortunately, she's extremely talented. She was a professional that name.
Speaker 1:No, she might need to come out. I ain't going to lie Now that you're thinking about it?
Speaker 3:no, Because the men is doing it, bro.
Speaker 1:The men is doing it. You might as well let the ladies do it too.
Speaker 2:The talent differential is crazy.
Speaker 1:Clarissa is so fucking good, don't fight Clarissa though.
Speaker 2:That's the only one she's coming out for Clarissa's.
Speaker 3:So good, clarissa, she ain't gonna fight fucking.
Speaker 2:Clarissa Shields is. I need to attest to this. She is so fucking good bro. But yeah, you know, again this is to be a long show, so bear with us if you're listening in your car that you missed your payment on. But again, uh, amanda serrano, katie taylor what's next for them? Listen. Amanda dared to be great. She moved up two weight classes. I think she takes a long break. She has lots of money now. I think she still fucks shit up in one weight class under and one below that. I really think she still fucks shit up. And for Katie Taylor, I'm okay with her retiring.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they both retired, to be honest, or that I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it, unless Katie gets what was that fight at 147? Yeah, yeah, unless they offer her a bag to fight like Mikaela or the Chantel trilogy.
Speaker 2:I don't know, though. I think it's almost time to pass the torch. 136. I think it's time to pass the torch, in a sense, 136.
Speaker 3:I think it's time to pass the torch in a sense, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:What is the weight class there, though? Is it 136?.
Speaker 3:I have no clue, bro, I don't even know the weight classes.
Speaker 2:And the last thing on the women's boxing and stuff, I just want to say they should make it three-minute rounds and just make the gloves like what do they fight? 10? Or, I'm sorry, 8 ounces. Right, just make them like 10 ounces or whatever ounce gloves women's fighters fight at. Make them two ounces up, I'm okay with that, just make them three-minute rounds.
Speaker 3:Or just make them 10 rounds instead of 12.
Speaker 2:Yeah, three-minute rounds, 10 rounds. I think they were just makes. Uh, make them 10 rounds instead of 12. Yeah, three minute rounds, 10 rounds, not. No, I think it is, is it? I think?
Speaker 1:it is 10, I think, like one fight was three minutes, though on that call it is 10 minutes, it is 10 rounds, so they shouldn't like.
Speaker 3:Amanda fought 12 three minute rounds, I'm pretty sure did she I could be wrong. I know she fought three minute rounds once, but I you know like the first time ever, I think.
Speaker 2:I do remember that, I think that one other girl did it too on the card, though she was like on the card. Oh yeah, dania Ramos, it went 12 rounds, three-minute rounds, that's good, good for her, but they should just I don't know figure something out. Make it like you're right, make it 12 rounds, I don't know something.
Speaker 1:A little more because We've been wanting to do it, though. Why you just don't give them what they want to do?
Speaker 2:And just keep making the best, fight the best, because, listen, there's great, great great now women athletes or women boxers, so just keep it rolling, but all right we are Now to the all-men card, the real shit. Yeah, this is going to be a long show.
Speaker 2:Willie get your legs ready and your ass, because this is going to be a long show. It's going to be hurting on this fucking chair. We're already 45 minutes in. All right, let's get in. Damn, really. No, no, it's not your bed, bro. We had so much to chop up and again, I love it and I know we're going to lose you during the football season. So it's okay, we're just going to go. We're going to keep it rolling Saturday night, let's get into it. A little recap of, like we alluded in the beginning of the show the greatest card, I think definitely the full card top to bottom. Last 10 years. You could argue 20 full card top to bottom. Last 10 years. You could argue 20 years top to bottom. This is, this is this is one of the greatest cards. Maybe you could go 30 years top to bottom and you.
Speaker 3:You know what. I want to point this out because we got that big card back in february, with which one the the one with like, uh, the b-bowl better be a rematch, the one that had, like virgil ortiz mademov and uh, like joseph parker and okoli, that one okay, yeah we got that one. Back in february. We got the new york city shit. Even though it flopped, we got even the jakecard was good. Boxing fans are loving the cards we're getting right now. Ufc fans do not. When was?
Speaker 2:the last time you heard that Boxing is getting better cards top to bottom than the UFC is, and you have to thank Turk for that, because even when the fights are in Saudi, there's still some really good cards, so you have to thank Turk for that. Even when the fights are in Saudi, there's still some really good cards, so you have to thank Turk for that and listen.
Speaker 1:Shout out to the ring. There's a reason.
Speaker 2:Behind the scenes I heard some grumblings. There's a reason Dana White is dipping his toe in boxing and following the Turk money. There's a reason for that. What are you trying? To say, and you know what you see fans're complaining about that yeah, what do you mean complaining about, like about dana, just switching sides, or so well, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:So like my best friend, the the one, that's a comedian. He did jujitsu in vegas and he used to party with like charles olivera and stuff, so he knows like a bunch of ufc fighters, so he's a big u, but he's like dude. When we do get a good card, it's in fucking Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 3:He's like well, welcome to the club.
Speaker 2:Yo, quick shout out, quick shout out to Four Corners, our guys, four Corners Boxing. You know who they are. You've seen them before. They're all over the place they go, are you? You've seen them before? They're all yeah, they're all over the place. They go to every fight. He just said boxing over mma, any day of the week and twice on sunday. And and you know, as boxing fans, I agree, I agree with that totally. But I will say this is no slight to the mma fans. We're just being boxing. It's like it's just a different sport yeah, I'm hating on mma.
Speaker 3:What I'm saying is like, like mma, the product that they've been getting from the ufc for years has been fantastic. In boxing it hasn't been, and we're finally getting a good product and like it seems like pay-per-view wise we we haven't surpassed them, but quality of cards we're getting as fans I feel like this year at least we're ahead of them for sure, a hundred percent, and especially if you follow those sports Like I'm going to speak on it later, I'm not going to try and go too crazy with it, though I have a weird.
Speaker 1:You know what's crazy? Ufc fighters are changing their style. There's a lot of people who's fighting up and standing up Like they're not even and throwing punches to the body and shit. Yeah, they throwing body punches. I forgot what the last dude fought a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2:What's his name?
Speaker 1:Crazy good boxer.
Speaker 2:Eddie Reynoso. He trains with Eddie Reynoso Throwing a combination of his body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they starting not to grab as much. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Ufc's starting to become mma is like it's a great sport, it's like a one style. Now. I don't hate whenever someone asks me, like a lot of my friends and I work with and stuff are huge mma guys. And whenever they ask me like who, who's your, uh, what's it called? Whenever they're like, oh, do you do watch, mma, do you do? Does your podcast do, mma? If they don't listen, I'm like, nah, I watch the big fights though, of course, I tune in. I'm not a hater. I've never been a hater. Four Corners says we love MMA too, though, and we feel the same way. I don't hate a fight. Nobody runs to watch a fight. Everyone's watching a fight good or bad.
Speaker 3:If they didn't put this shit on the same nights as boxing, I'd probably watch more of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100% my only thing. With John Jones fighting, I'm watching my only.
Speaker 2:The only reason I like boxing a little more is you could. There's more room for strategy and less room for knockouts, and I know that sounds like a stupid thing to say, but what I mean by that is when the best fight the best. You're only focusing on one dimension, so like, yeah, and it's just, it's, they're different sports different sports.
Speaker 3:The intangibles to them are different, like different sports. I think fans love to say like oh well, mma fire would win a street fight, I don't care, I don't give a shit. That's not why I watch.
Speaker 2:No no, no, not at all craft that, that yeah yeah, it's like I I hate that. It's like and I've said this before years ago on the show it's like comparing baseball and tennis, because we both hit balls.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, I say it all the time. Like fucking Aaron Judge can hit a home run 400 feet, that doesn't mean he's going to go fucking win a PGA Tour.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, but he might If he learns how to serve. No, I'm just kidding, you're right. No, no, but he might, you know, if he learns how to serve. No, I'm just kidding, like that. You're here. But anyway, going forward to the fight night itself, uh, four corners was there as well. All the podcast cronies were all out and about everyone was there. I just want to say one thing that I didn't say in the beginning. You know, and fossil our, our friend, that that I started the podcast with who got fired? He, he said, he said to he was like damn, bro, you and Willie, like nomad people out here. And, dude, at this fight itself I had people I didn't recognize that, I didn't know that were like yo Puma, I was in the beer line. They're like yo Puma the sparring. So like you never know who's listening, dude, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:That's cool, though that's super cool. And before we get into it, I want to say something too, and this goes out to all the podcast cronies and the media guys like yourself, everybody making content, whatever. There's no other sport in New York that has less mainstream New York media than boxing Like there was no. There's no like real ESPN push. You didn't see the best card I've ever seen on ESPN, right? The problem with New York when people go to other teams is the media. They hate dealing with the media. The only real media that is always in your face and we saw it in this fight when the fights ended is the podcasters. It is the content creators.
Speaker 3:Exactly, that's most of the boxing media, that's almost all the boxing media so so that is kind of a boxing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, johnny is everywhere, our guys, four quarters that. They're all everyone's out there. There was even english, english boxing podcasters out there from england. Like it was cool to see shit I've never heard of because it's it's england and like that, that that was really good to see. Man, man, and and that just keeps us going. Bro, we, we are the, the, the base, we, we get the information out there. We, we state our opinions. Whether you like them or not, a lot of them hate punchlines opinions because they're so real and they're.
Speaker 2:They're what you're thinking. Well, the fuckers hate me bro. It's okay bro, we love it.
Speaker 3:Fighters too. Fighters hate me too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but see, the thing with you is punchlines. They got to understand like you're taking a comedic angle and you want that shock factor and you're doing it and it's extremely funny.
Speaker 1:You're going viral like every post.
Speaker 2:It's extremely funny.
Speaker 1:Whatever is working is working Shit.
Speaker 2:Thanks, bro, but whatever is working is working for us too, and we don't really see that because I'm always going to consider myself a shitty podcast and that we just fucking sit here and drink and talk boxing, but some random guy who I never met put his hand on my shoulder while I was ordering a drink.
Speaker 3:That's why people like y'all though, like I'm being honest, like I'm not going to say names, I don't have to. There's podcasters out there that once fighters start to know them or once people start commenting on their stuff, like you can tell that they're full of themselves and it can be a turnoff. They think they become an authority in the sport and it's yeah, never, yeah I don't, I would never, but I don't want to be authority.
Speaker 1:I never in my life would be authority of nobody.
Speaker 2:Bro, for the first time in my life I'm on the beer line. I was ordering tequila in my little $20 Dixie cup. But I'm on the beer line, some dude put his hand on my shoulder and I'm like what the fuck? I'm about to get knocked out. Here we go again and I look up. He's like yo Puma, this jack dude. He's like yo Puma, you in every fight. Man, your podcast is cool as hell. I'm like thanks, man. And then the dude sitting next to us right, they don't follow the podcast, but they were like yo, yo, I remember you. He's like I remember you. You were, remember you. You were at the shakur fight. You had the heart hat on. You're crazy, you're wilding out you're wild.
Speaker 2:I'm like no, you're talking about kishan fight oh, kishan, kishan, I'm sorry, yeah, at the kishan fight and he's next to and I'm like god damn, I don't remember this guy at all. He's like bro, blah, blah, blah, we just like, and I'm like damn yeah he got, he got kicked out with little t. Yeah, he got kicked out, but he's like I wasn't even with him.
Speaker 1:They kicked me out. Shout out to four corners again, bro.
Speaker 2:They said never shitty, the sparring is legit and live yo. So are you guys, bro. Four corners is they?
Speaker 1:they have a crew with them yeah, they got a whole gang of them motherfuckers but let's, let's get in.
Speaker 3:The maniac is my boy bro I love that dude you heard punchline and everything, yeah punchline says the maniac is his boy. I can't bro, we talk football, boxing, everything, everything, bro, he's the dude.
Speaker 2:Going forward. Let's get into the fights Again. I knew this was going to be a long episode. Willie, get an energy drink. I got one upstairs if you want, but let's get into the. We're not really going to talk about the Asian dude who fought on the initial fight. He knocked the guy out. Yeah, he smoked that dude. They set that up though.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. We end up seeing him. We were walking in yeah, in Manhattan.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they kind of set that up for him. But you know what?
Speaker 3:It's a second fight. Yeah, yeah, you can fight in your second fight.
Speaker 2:I think they kind of jumped the gun too. They made him like a ring magazine ambassador.
Speaker 3:Yeah, uh, that was leaning into him hard yeah so whatever.
Speaker 2:That's cool, yeah, but uh, yo david morel versus imam katev I don't know if I'm saying that that, that right, let's just get very close, fight very good fight.
Speaker 2:Uh, hats off to imam katev. He was what we said about him, and maybe even a little more. In my opinion, no one's going to want to fight that guy. He's going to enter the realm of super high risk, super low reward and I don't wish that on him Because he is exciting to see. He's built like a more ripped Canelo, that low center of gravity, not in a weird way.
Speaker 3:I said he reminded me of gassiev yeah, yeah yeah, a lot like
Speaker 1:I see every fucking muscle in his body.
Speaker 3:Well, I wonder if it's because of that shit yeah, yeah, he. There's some rumors going around I don't want to get into that too much because it's so confusing and like whenever pbs gets brought up, people have very strong opinions on it, as they should. He looked a little.
Speaker 2:I'm no expert in fitness, but he looked a little girthy.
Speaker 1:I'll put it that way.
Speaker 2:He was big. I'm not taking anything away from him. I thought Morel should have been the better fighter.
Speaker 1:He lasted a long time with all that muscle on here and and then what his downfall was?
Speaker 2:he petered out. But I'm a little annoyed at morel because I told you you called it, you called it, you called it.
Speaker 1:I'm a little annoyed at morel he kept on saying that shit, he's like a punch called it, punch called yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was a little annoyed at him because he's a a talented boxer, pure boxer, and he has that dancing. He's Cuban, right? Cuban style, right? Yeah, his last fight versus Benavidez, right? I said I was like bro, he's a little too immature. Like he's playing around with Benavidez. What are you doing? Chill out, chill out. When he got knocked down, dude, he was doing that weird dance step. Yeah, and what are you doing? What are you doing At the end of the round If you didn't learn? Versus Benavidez, now you're versus a super high risk, low reward, no-transcript. What are you doing? Because you, you just changed everyone's dynamic of the fight yeah, I even told my boy.
Speaker 3:I was like, bro, he's doing what teo does. When teo thinks he's ahead, or even is ahead, he starts. He starts trying to be too flashy rather than doing what got him to being ahead and and and it's just fucking.
Speaker 2:It was just sad to see because he's a pure talented boxer. Uh, four corners just said morel doesn't fight to the body and, and you're right, he doesn't in this fight, though, with that guy's low stature and low center of gravity, it would be hard to hit him in the body, it would be hard to get that he was throwing some shit to the body, though he was throwing a hook to the body.
Speaker 1:He was throwing a hook to the body one thing actually, tatev did, though, from the first round was attack.
Speaker 2:Murrell's body. Oh my goodness, ringside bro, I'm like dude Murrell's good.
Speaker 1:He must have looked at his legs and been like yo, he got woolly legs, Murrell got some skinny legs bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he does, but I think it was more his immaturity sticking his tongue out, dancing, getting knocked out while dancing, and and shame on his corner in a sense too, like bro, get in his ass, like what are you doing?
Speaker 3:you're fighting. Oh, they did. Oh see, we don't see that, we don't hear it. Ronnie shields did because he, that's the thing, he's got a great corner, he's got ronnie shields and bob santos both in his corner.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's two very good trends yeah, yeah and ronnie shield's gotten his ass after he got dropped, but not not too much after that bro that the way he got dropped boxing fanatics and stuff have to talk about it, because what he literally was go watch it again. Like we saw, lucky that shit was at the end of the round, yeah, and he was like doing this weird dance, he was fine and then got clipped. Like what are you playing around with him for? Like you got to be a hundred percent and it was only a 10 round fight. Like a two-point round could really shift things. And let's go to the scorecards now. I, I, what'd you think?
Speaker 3:I. He was about the cards, like the, the scores. Yeah, I didn't like him. I don't want to say robbery, because it was a close fight, but I I feel like, feel like this is where I have a problem with it. It's the same thing with Haney Loma. Haney Loma was very close but the one judge that gave Haney eight rounds, I was like there's no way. And then the judge that gave or two judges, I guess, that gave Morell seven rounds Somebody, at least one judge, gave him seven rounds. I was like there's no way.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I suppose the fight or draw personally, but because of the knockdown, it would have been a 95-94. Kataev, I didn't like the cards. I didn't like the robbery, but I did not like the cards.
Speaker 2:Four Quarters just said the scorecards took long enough to be announced. And yo, that's my biggest gripe with boxing. Literally, if you asked me what's your biggest gripe with boxing, puma, I would say if everyone's scoring the fight round by round, to add up 10, like it's 10 rounds right. So to add up all those numbers, especially in 2025, forget that it's addition should be the easiest, most quick thing to do. Why do scorecards take so long? Someone answer me. Why do scorecards take?
Speaker 1:It should be a set time, because it'd be a bunch of bullshit going on. It should be.
Speaker 2:Yo, if Turk wants to really affect boxing, yo, you guys have 30 seconds to add that up. If you don't add it up, the fight's a no contest.
Speaker 3:You know, reach out to somebody who does judge If they have a social media presence. There's got to be a process or something they probably have to get it checked by the commission or by the sanctioning bodies to make sure.
Speaker 2:Maybe a ref. I know a few refs. I might like a few pro refs Big names too. I'm not going to name them now they told me never to but maybe I'll fucking hit him up and be like yo what the fuck.
Speaker 1:Nah, but yeah, that fight was. It was a good fight, great fight to start it off, action packed fight. The whole time, the whole fight, the whole fight. I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3:I was talking about the Japanese fight how it was empty and shit. I was like damn bro. But once those two started fighting it didn't feel like it was empty.
Speaker 2:It was loud, it was still pretty empty.
Speaker 3:It was just such a good fight you couldn't tell on the broadcast because the crowd that was there was loving the fight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nah, everybody was loving the fight.
Speaker 2:You can't not love a fight like that and again to open it up, and he kept it rolling.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure a lot of people didn't know who Kataev was. They was like yo. They heard of David Morel and he was getting David works and I felt like Kataev pulled it off.
Speaker 2:He said Morel went blonde and got dropped.
Speaker 3:Bro, he was fucking dancing. Was that Joe Budden line? I smell something fishy. There's a con in the air. Put a streak of blonde in your hair, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm like I saw that and I didn't see it live. When you're live, you're mingling. We're starstruck, we're looking around. I saw it on the replay like he was really dancing like that. I knew he got. I saw the drop, but I saw it right away like he was fooling around like that.
Speaker 3:What the fuck are you doing? Yeah, he wasn't ahead enough to start behaving like that.
Speaker 2:No, no, and or you're versus a game hard puncher and you felt his power. Like what are you doing? Whatever, bro.
Speaker 3:I didn't like that fight coming off of Benavidez Law.
Speaker 1:Yo, you said that, shit too. Yeah, you called that, that was good, you called a lot. He was like this is a tough fight for him to come off that fight into another fight. Not a good look for him.
Speaker 2:When you saw us on TV and you got all giddy, just know I was thinking of you because I was like damn, punch called that one too, punch called that one too. Yeah, I was looking for you.
Speaker 3:I asked Willie, or I asked Puma, to send me a picture. Willie, I was like yo send me a picture of your vantage point so I can look for y'all. And like he never responded, I was like, oh, he's at the fight. It wasn't on purpose.
Speaker 2:It wasn't on purpose, yeah.
Speaker 1:I didn't service. No, that's me. Willie had none, that's me, I was like what am I paying all this money for?
Speaker 2:So right after that fight, turk did another good thing kept it rolling. Boom, here comes Alberto Playa, and I'm like shit, he's coming out already, or did Subrio come out first? I don't know Whoever came out first, I'm like Subrio came out first. I don't know Whoever came out first. I'm like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Matias.
Speaker 2:The crowd, the Puerto Ricans. It was a Puerto.
Speaker 1:Rican crowd. The Puerto Ricans were out.
Speaker 2:New.
Speaker 1:York City, Puerto Ricans was outside.
Speaker 2:He comes out, yo, up close and personal. And I said this one thing I was right about he's really long and big Dude. Up close, I don't know how that guy makes 140. Oh, you're talking about Poyo. Yeah, how the fuck he makes 140 is crazy to me, dude, he is a big dude.
Speaker 1:He reminds me of one of them uncles. That would just be skinny and tall.
Speaker 2:Dude, but he's jacked too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, because he boxed I'm just saying like one of your uncles would just be like never can really gain weight.
Speaker 3:Dude, A lot of Dominicans are brolic-y like that too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like lanky, lanky brolic, Lanky brolic. That's why they're good at pitching in baseball. Yeah for sure, yo, he was a big 140. Then comes Subrio. No, I'm sorry, I'm all over the place. Yeah, nobody was cheering for Subrio. Pueyo comes out Big ass.
Speaker 3:No, no, no. I thought people were cheering for Subrio, because he's Puerto Rican.
Speaker 1:No, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:No, they weren't cheering for Pueyo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were booing, him. Yeah, they were booing Pueyo.
Speaker 2:But Pueyo, for some reason I thought Pueyo came out first. That's why I went on that rant just now. Sorry, no, the champ come out last. You're right Again. Whatever, into the fight itself, subrio Matias man, if he can't hurt you, it's not going to end well versus Boxer. And you were right. That's when I thought of you again. Punch, he was like he called it.
Speaker 1:I definitely called it too, because I said, well, it was the Boxer, he's going to outbox him. I like him.
Speaker 3:He didn't turn enough. He put himself on the ropes and fought off the ropes In the corner. Yeah, that was the dumbest shit.
Speaker 1:We was kept on saying that shit too, like yo, get off the ropes.
Speaker 3:Like why are you on?
Speaker 1:the ropes, just sitting there taking mad punches.
Speaker 3:But then he started turning them later, and that's when he started winning rounds.
Speaker 2:And in the second half of the fight, one thing I noticed from both where I was like and he was right behind us, hitchens I was like nobody's throwing a jab. Hitchens, jam is fucking amazing. Nobody's throwing a jab. And if they did, it was like a weak, muffed jab, like nobody's really throwing like a real jab. And and I looked at hitchens and I was like yo, nobody's throwing a jab. And he's like I got a jab. I got a jab. And I was like yeah, bro, and he knows his turn. Yeah, and Hitchens is, he's smart, he's smart in there.
Speaker 3:But again, the thing that Matias got away with with Pollo, that he wouldn't get away with with Hitchens. And I was saying this during the fight. I was like he throws so many punches and you can't tell if they're landing or not, so you just got to assume, and when you're throwing punches and the other guy's sure landing, but throwing less, it confuses people.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's what Shakur fight too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's why I had things to say about that.
Speaker 1:That's the same thing I got from Shakur fight too. So many punches being thrown. You don't know that he's getting touched, but we don't know when or which one is it actually?
Speaker 2:I'm going to touch on that too, when we get to it, because I had a different like.
Speaker 3:y'all were ringside, so you guys have the ringside angles, the same angles that the judges have. So it's like maybe sometimes you can't tell On TV. I was like bro, a lot of these are just hitting gloves hitting arms or nothing at all, Even inside.
Speaker 1:Even on ringside. It still looked like that because you got people in front of you, you got people sitting on the ring, you got people right there. You still can't really see everything.
Speaker 2:No Four Corners says I think Rich picks apart.
Speaker 2:Matthias. He said I need the binoculars. He said I think Rich picks apart Matthias. He said I need the binoculars. He said I think Rich picks apart Matthias wins an easy decision. I think so too. The only thing I will say with Richardson Hitchens, the only time he looked really, really bad was when the dude was in his chest thugging it out, brawling, kind of like what Amanda Serrano was supposed to do. But Pueyo, though Pueyo should have won, in my opinion. He had the belt, he was the champion, and what won it? For me going into the 10th, I'm like damn, this is going to be close. Based on everything we just said, this is going to be close. But when the championship rounds matter in a championship fight, that's why they're there. That's why other fights are 10 rounds and this one's 11 and 12. He, pueyo, turned up in the 11th and 12th and easily won both those rounds, and he had the belt.
Speaker 1:He had the belt, bro. It didn't make no fucking sense. They cheated my boy. They cheated my boy, bro, they cheated.
Speaker 3:Going into the night, morrow was saying like Pueyo needs to do something. Matias is running away with this. I got him up six rounds to two and I'm like what, what, the fuck, what? We didn't hear that. Yeah, you're lucky you didn't hear that, bro. And it wasn't the only time he did that on the broadcast. I'll get more into that later.
Speaker 1:I was like how do you?
Speaker 3:Because right after that they showed the unofficial scorecard for Mannix and he had it four rounds before. He's like nope, I don't agree. Yeah, good on him. And then this is how stupid Mora is. He said Matias had won six rounds and then at the end of the fight he said .01. I'm like how, if you already gave?
Speaker 2:Matias six rounds. He's just yapping Yo.
Speaker 1:this is insane bro, I was pissed at that scorecard bro I was pissed at the result. It was stupid, because I I felt like my son was boxing. He was doing his thing, I know yo, but I but tears, non-stop, pressure yo.
Speaker 2:I will say in in real life yeah, that was great I'm like yo this guy don't get tired was that cut from a headbutt or was it a real cut?
Speaker 1:it was probably both. But that yo yo, that man do not get tired comes straight forward. I was getting tired of watching him coming forward.
Speaker 2:I know his chin's been questionable. He has been down. He showed good grit and good chin in this fight too. I'm not taking anything away from him. Richardson Hitchens was right behind us and talking to us the whole time. Whatever, I think he's glad Matias won, because Puey would have been harder I'm not saying a problem, but would have been harder and I think he alluded to that too while speaking with him. He was like, yeah, I'll get him out of there and I think he will because he has a jab and the one thing missing from this fight was a fucking jab.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think he's starting to have the best jab. Yeah, he's getting. Well, I meant to do an edit because yo his jab was whistling like the old school fucking Nerf ball.
Speaker 2:That's what I wanted to do, that with.
Speaker 1:That's what I wanted to do. That one Yo. That's how his, that's how Richard, his jab was fucking sounding that night you remember the glow in the dark one.
Speaker 2:The glow in the dark. Howler, I love that thing.
Speaker 1:That's how his jab was. Just like that. I'm like yo. That's crazy. I can't imagine what it sounded like on TV.
Speaker 2:For me, all the fights were great. It was great to see Shakur, but Pueyo versus Matias was the most fun for me because we had Subrio, who possibly and again you can get into it right when I'm done saying this possibly could fight one of them guys who has a belt annotating the fight with us. That was cool to be a part of man.
Speaker 3:That was cool to be a part of man. That was cool. That is sick that you got to do that. You're sitting next to another champion in the weight class, bro. You got the best seat in the house at that point.
Speaker 2:It was fucking amazing to me. He tapped me on the show. He's like yo. What do you think?
Speaker 1:Who you got.
Speaker 2:I'm like, excuse me, what do you think is winning?
Speaker 3:I'm like pass out right now and I'm like what the fuck is going on that Drewski meme me.
Speaker 2:He literally put his hand on my shoulder and was like yo who you got? I'm like my name's Puma, how you doing what the? Fuck is going on, but nah, it was really cool. Great fight, though nonetheless, we could pick it apart. A majority of people think Pueyo won. I don't know where that material is. I had Pueyo winning. It was close to 10. You could make an argument for either side to 10.
Speaker 3:I had it 7-5. I didn't have it like a blowout, I had it 7-5.
Speaker 2:But 11 and 12 matter, and he has the belt. So, even if those rounds are close, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta take the belt. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:And I think that's where I disagree. I I I'm on record vehemently against that. I don't like the. You gotta beat the champ to be the champ. Like that's like a it's not a written rule that that's not real criteria. That's just like something that fans kind of made up. I feel like once the fight starts, the belt doesn't matter. You got to judge the fight as the fight.
Speaker 2:No, no and I I agree with you, but like, why do they have championship rounds then? And if you win the championship rounds only in a close fight? In a close fight, right right, there's championship rounds and you clearly won 11 and 12. I don don't know what the scorecard's read, but from everybody's fucking opinion, 11 and 12 was Pueyo and you're the champ in a super close fight. You didn't take the belt, you didn't earn the belt, but Punch.
Speaker 1:That goes to his point too, though that's made up too. That's something that people just made up championship rounds.
Speaker 2:It's not like a real thing it is, though, in a sense because there's not 12-round fights Like why is there 10-round fights then, and why are all belt fights 12?
Speaker 1:Oh, maybe you're right about that, I think you have to do a little more.
Speaker 3:Maybe that is right. I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 1:I mean, are there belt fights for 10 rounds or no, not? At all Women's only. Oh, maybe those interim belts.
Speaker 2:I don't even think they are. I think they might be 12th. I don't care about interim belts, and we talked about this punch.
Speaker 1:Just get rid of them. Yeah, just get rid of them. At least they got rid of them, nah, but like a real belt fight.
Speaker 2:And, like you see it, though and this was a great fight, when the best fight the best, and it's a close fight and then you're like, oh shit, we're going to 11 and 12 now. They got to dig deep.
Speaker 3:And it felt like an old school fight too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very, very, very great fight and it was great. Good style clash Whatever and again, I don't like to talk about that, but he's a dog, I just think Pueyo.
Speaker 3:I don't hate him, but I hate on him because I just don't like his style. There's so much.
Speaker 2:Wrong with it. Yeah, and that's what I meant in the beginning when we started the segment.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's why Pueyo didn't win, because they don't like his style either, even though he boxed, they don't like him as a champion.
Speaker 2:The one thing I didn't like that Pueyo did.
Speaker 1:He don't get no respect as a champion.
Speaker 2:He's clearly bigger. Right, he's bigger than every 140 guy. He backs up a lot, bro. He backs up way too much. He clinches a lot. Yeah, and being that big in the corner to a judge's eye not ours in this fight it could look bad. This is a big dude being backed down by a smaller guy.
Speaker 1:He had a lot of energy in that 11 and 12th round. For somebody that's on his back foot the whole time, I'm like yo how he has so much energy. He's on his back foot the whole fight and he still had energy. I was saying that to Afosaso. I'm like yo, he's still got energy Watch, he's still got energy. On the back foot is the whole fight.
Speaker 2:He's big too, but whatever Again, so we missed the broadcast. I know I saw something on social media and we'll try to wrap this segment up quickly.
Speaker 1:And we saw the dude too. That's the crazy part. We saw him walk right past us and we did not saw the dude too.
Speaker 2:that's the crazy part we saw, yeah yeah, I'm looking at, I know who he was, what's his name? Fucking the english dude, dalton smith. Yeah, dalton smith was like right next to us and I'm like I I think I might have even talked to him and I'm looking at him like damn, where do I?
Speaker 3:know this guy from yeah well, he looked different because he's like growing out his beard and shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, I saw that. Once I saw his tattoo on his neck, I'm like like I know this fucking guy. Where do I know this fucking guy from? But what happened? What happened in the ring?
Speaker 3:Oh, I think Mannix was the one doing the in-ring interviews and he asked you know he's like. You know Dalton Smith is ringside, would you be interested in fighting him next? And Matias gave the typical answer that all fighters do, like yo, you know, I gotta talk to my management and we'll see. And then Turkey goes no, my friend, you will be fighting him next in November. And I was like what Damn bro, he just punked the fuck out of you.
Speaker 1:That's what happened, Yo, I did not know that happened bro.
Speaker 3:And then later on in the broadcast they also brought up this, Turkey said that Alberto Puello, because the fight was close and questionable, would get his opportunity to fight the winner between those two as well.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:That's good for him.
Speaker 2:But damn, that sucks for Richardson Hitchens. What the fuck.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know who they're going to get him.
Speaker 3:That's crazy. He's not going to fight Russell. I'm not going to say he's going to fight Russell. I'm saying I don't think PBC is going to let Russell fight him.
Speaker 2:The easiest fight to make in boxing right now, with what's going on with TO in top rank, is TO Hitchens.
Speaker 3:They have the same manager TO wants to take that fight because of the market. I can see him using Hitchens' marketability as a reason not to.
Speaker 2:Actually, when I was speaking to Hitchens, I was like, bro, you and Tio in this arena right here, maybe like an early fall, that'd be crazy. It has to be in New York, you know what I mean Him and Tio in that arena, that would be crazy.
Speaker 1:Brooklyn dead man.
Speaker 2:And again, I'm going to talk about TO for two seconds and I'm going to change topics. How the fuck? Remember what we said on the ride home? I was like bro TO, we look at these fighters and the crowd that approaches them TO gets mobbed. Bro, he really is popular, he gets mobbed at these events. So him in new york, it is that that would be cool to see. But moving forward, uh, let's just, let's just keep going. We, we are, we're already like an hour and 20 in, but it's all good um that, what should have been the main event on most people's uh opinion, if you peep his shirt right now, I, I peeped it, I see.
Speaker 1:Shakur, that's a nice shirt, man. Yeah, that is nice.
Speaker 2:I peep Shakur. There's always critics. Real quick not to cut you off. I'm so sorry. I don't care, bro. Don't say that it makes it harder to edit, Just go, Thanks for playing shirts.
Speaker 3:They used to make shirts after the fights when they would happen. The main events, the big main events, the big fights, with like quotes around the narrative of the fight. You know, I got one on right now.
Speaker 2:Which one do you? Oh, the greatest hits one yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to stand up and show you the back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, thanks for playing. We'll be making a Shakur Zapata fight with the Tom and Jerry thing.
Speaker 2:That's awesome and I hope Shakur loves it. I hope he loves it and I'm sure he will. Actually, Willie had on and we're going to get off track here.
Speaker 1:Zabop.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And who comes walking by Zabop and who yells at Zabop I guess they're good friends Hitchens. And who yells at Zabop I guess they're good friends, hitchens. Hitchens yells at Zabop and he goes hey, fucks the Queen Moses. And he looks right at me and I'm like I didn't do it. I didn't fucking do it. I'm like what the fuck? But nah, yeah, thanks for playing man again. The best shirts they make are those fight shirts. Yeah, yeah, they have Keon was like yo nice shirt, the best shirts they make are those fight?
Speaker 1:shirts yeah, I've known them in a while. Yeah, they have Keon was like yo nice shirt. Yeah, yeah, he was like yo, that's a nice shirt.
Speaker 2:See, you heard that I was like yo when you get yours. I didn't even know that.
Speaker 1:I'm like yo, when you get yours, I'll buy it definitely.
Speaker 2:He was like I already got mine. Who, yeah, so, uh, that was another thing. That was cool to see that davis has finally showed face. I like to see that. Yeah, um, sly tendency said switch from instagram. That shit was whack. Yeah, uh, sorry, I, I got a notification. They said instagram was messing up, but, uh, I don't know what's going on with that. Um, but yeah, we're on youtube. So thank you, sly, for sticking around.
Speaker 2:The fight itself there's always critics we're talking about Shakur vs William Cepeda should have been the main event. Everyone kind of agrees with that, but whatever it is what it is, it was a great fight, great card. Nonetheless, shakur shut everyone up, in my opinion. I know Willie and you are going to go at it, because Willie has a different opinion of what he saw, but Shakur did things in this fight that really silenced a lot of his haters and critics. Mind you, willie did have Shakur winning the fight, yeah, but he just saw something different. I thought Shakur pitched a shutout. I thought he showed. You don't think so. No, I gave him the pay, like three or four rounds.
Speaker 3:I thought he showed you, don't think so?
Speaker 2:No, I gave him the pain in like 3 or 4 rounds.
Speaker 1:Mind you, I missed a lot of the fight because what the fuck you missed the fight, for you know why.
Speaker 2:Clarissa Shields was in front of me at the time. She kind of I'm not going to blast him like that, but she kind of got someone to move their seat and she sat right in front of me but she did not sit. And I tell you what clarissa shields has a a very, very nice and never mind. She was in front of me and I couldn't see because there was a whole lot of stuff in my face and she's a real fan of chicory bro, like she's an actual fan of score and I actually I love clarissa shields because I had the sparring hat on and she's a real fan of Shakur bro. She's an actual fan of Shakur. Actually, I love Clarissa Shields because I had the sparring hat on and that's when I was all over TV because they kept putting the cameras on Clarissa walling out and I'm like Try to get in the camera time.
Speaker 3:I had a LaCroix. My phone was on the floor because it was charging and I'm just like when my favorite fighters fight, I get so nervous that I can't. I can't like move around, like I sit down, I like hook my leg and shit like that. Or I'm like my hands are like clasped and shit. And then I see kuma on the screen. I'm like, oh, I'm like, well, it's like one dude and his two-year-old kid. I'm like this is my boy, he's my like. I'm like spilling fucking popcorn by the time I pick up my phone to take a picture, like he's off screen and I was like damn it, bro, we, we are gaining ground.
Speaker 2:And again, this goes back to what I started with, and not that we're like famous or anything but like random people were dming me on instagram that I don't know, like at the sparring account, and they're like yo, bro, I just saw you on tv and I'm like, hey, like what's up, but uh, so I did miss a lot of the fight, but it was a nice view right in front of me. Yeah, it was a great view. It was a great view. I don't know. Man Shakur, to me, was perfect in this fight. He fought, he was interacting with the fans while fighting. He was looking ringside at us, him this was another cool thing him and Hitchens were talking, so he was talking to Richardson Hitchens. He's a big fan and this is one thing. And I'm going to stop hyping him up and I'll let you guys go, but I'll say it later. Go ahead, I want to hear your guys' takes. Let Willie go first.
Speaker 3:Let.
Speaker 2:Willie go first, because Willie saw something a little different than what I saw. I saw a shutout.
Speaker 1:I wasn't expecting this from Shakur at all, bro. He shut everybody up. He sat there, he sat on the ropes, but a little bit too long though he was tripping with that. But other than that he fought great. He fought a fight that nobody thought he was going to fight, but with all them punches he was throwing he was getting touched a lot more than we thought he was getting touched, like he's. I know he said he got caught off balance and all that. A couple of stuff, like a lot of you can't really tell, like really was hitting with that philly guard because you, he got this right hand up but that, what was that? His left hand maybe was hitting more than anything else. But these hooks to the body probably wasn't counting at all, because Sabato hooks wasn't counting at all because he's got the Philly guard. He's protected here, protected on the arm and the gut.
Speaker 2:Can I interrupt you real quick, though? I just want to say one thing, and this goes for all the fighters out there, anyone that listens, whatever. That's how you do a philly shell. Yeah, everybody else is trying.
Speaker 3:That's how you do a philly shell like that that's like 21 years of work going into it too. Yeah that, but that is how you do a philly.
Speaker 1:That's literally the reason why you can't really count all them punches, the pay that was throwing, because the philly shell is meant for fighters like him and really the only one that was landing is on the right side of Shakur's face.
Speaker 2:You know what's crazy, though, to me, man and then I'm going to let you go Punchline this was the most Shakur has ever gotten hit in his career ever so this was his toughest fight and the worst. He's looked technically from a punching standpoint in his career ever so. This was his toughest fight and the worst he's looked technically from a from a from a punching standpoint in his career and it's the most he ever got hit. According to compu box, stevenson's previous 11 opponents only have landed an average of 5.4 punches per round and in this fight alone zapata average landed was around 23 per round. So Stevenson looked that damn good and got hit the most he's ever got hit in his life, and to me that is elite, elite bro, that's only because he sat there and wanted to fight that fight just for some fake ass fans.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. It's just like he did that for people, just to judge him anyway I'm with you because I was.
Speaker 3:I even texted in the group chat. I was like I was like bro, his, his style is like his game plan is confusing me right now. And foreman from pay the toll was like, yeah, but he's winning. I'm like with these last two scorecards, bro, I don't know if he is yeah, that's true, that's good, I was saying he is, I see he's winning.
Speaker 3:But I was nervous because I was like the same thing with matias. Like zapata was throwing a lot, but he really like a lot of times a lot of that shit looked better than it was because he wasn't like. There was one time in the fight I swear to god, he threw 20 punches with shakur, the ropes, one of them landed and I'm not even exaggerating Sometime in the second half of the fight.
Speaker 2:Hitchenson said something and I wish I wrote it down because I was like damn dude. I turned around and I was like you know who they used to say that about. Hitchenson said something. He's like he's so damn talented and good he's almost like boring, but he's not boring, something to that effect. And I turned around, I was like you know who they used to say that about, floyd mayweather jr and and then and then I I something hit me and I'm looking around and I'm like there's three people in boxing right now that that your favorite boxer is their favorite boxer. And those three people males are Shakur Terrence Crawford in America. Shakur Terrence Crawford and Gervonta Davis. Yeah, and then something else hit me and it was like, wow, we really really need for boxing to be be to really surpass UFC. If you're about that life. Shakur Stevenson versus Gervonta Davis is the biggest fight to make right now. That's just my opinion, not a heavyweight, nobody else. The biggest fight to make in boxing in at least America is.
Speaker 1:Shakur Stevenson versus Gervonta Davis. They're going to get paid.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, easily, or even, I think, throw Devin in there, don't I mean any.
Speaker 2:Any of them is a big fight. But the biggest bro, I've never seen people like I'm. Looking around at all these pros, they are literally getting like me when I'm, when I'm at a teal fight, getting emotional about shakur, stevenson and and the only other fighter I've seen that from pros is Gervonta Davis, like, like modern you know, and Terrence Crawford yeah, so so those three, let me ask your guys opinion. Actually I have. I have a question. What do you think is a bigger fight, terrence, like, like amongst boxing fans, pure boxing fans, or what do you think does more? I can't ask that. What do you think is a bigger fight amongst pure boxing fans? Terrence Crawford, canelo, or, right now, in this moment, shakur or Gervonta Davis, shakur or Tank?
Speaker 3:Yeah for sure, Think about that.
Speaker 1:They're in their prime and they're in the same weight class and the same weight class is not going to be. No, oh, he went up in a weight, he did this. And he went up in a weight, he did this and he went up two weight classes. There's no if who's the best in a weight class.
Speaker 2:So you, know what Shakur's about to make a lot of money off this fight, though and again, I'm diverting a little bit to the future but if he takes Kid Austin right and he beats Kid Austin decisively no matter what he does in that fight tank, I think tank is going to have the rematch and he's going to win. I believe. I believe he's going to. He's going to, even with what's going on with him criminally, I believe tank's going to win. He ain't do it. I believe tank's going to win, right, he ain't doing it. Tank is on his way out of boxing. It appears he's alluded to the fact that he doesn't want to box much longer. He's having all these issues going on in his personal life.
Speaker 1:But it's crazy when you say that how he's feeling, all other fighters are saying they feel what he feels. That's crazy. To said it, hitchison probably. I think he said it on a podcast. I know Keyshawn on a podcast said it. And then Shakur said it, but again.
Speaker 2:I don't want to go into a tank rant. I'm just saying this is a good route for Tank. He has the rematch, Tough rematch. I think Tank's going to do his thing, though he free match. I think Tank's going to do his thing, though he's going to be the highly favored. Now, okay, I'm on my way out. I got a lot of stuff going on. Mentally I'm not in a happy place. I've done enough in the sport. Let me get this money versus your core. Win or lose, that's life-changing money.
Speaker 3:That would be it, the only problem is he's already so loyal to Al Heyman. Honestly, the only problem is he's already like he's so loyal to Al Heyman. There's no, and honestly he's too valuable to PBC for them to let him fight anywhere else. Shakur would have to go to PBC for that fight to happen.
Speaker 1:And it's crazy. He said he was willing to do that.
Speaker 2:And I think if Turk's hand is in the pot and a few fights happen before that and he does as good as he did on this card, nobody's going to say no to that money, man.
Speaker 3:I had one fucking idiot comment on my post because my boy was like we need Shakur versus Tank. I was like if it doesn't happen, it ain't Shakur's fault. Somebody was like, oh, it already was Shakur's fault. He could have been in there versus Tank instead of Lamont, but he chose Padley. I'm like, oh really, he chose Padley.
Speaker 2:No, he didn't. He replaced Padley. Yeah right, you gotta ignore those weirdos.
Speaker 3:And the fight with Schofield was announced after Tank versus Lamont was already announced who came from 130,.
Speaker 2:By the way, Let me interrupt you real quick, though. Punch, we're getting some feedback. We got a bunch of people commenting and again, I'm sorry, I'm new to this live shit and again, I don't mean to cut you off. He punches like us. He gets emotional, but I got a bunch of people commenting. Soul8823 wrote Shakur versus Tank. Yeah, that's what I agree to. In regards to our question of what's a bigger fight, spirit of LFC fans just asked a question and then someone else said something to him, but we're going to answer this question first. Spirit of LFC fans just said regarding the Berlanga versus Shiraz match, what are your specific observations, breakdown analysis and step-by-step analysis? I lied, we're going to finish this record rant. We're hitting that next, so stick around, spirit. Thank you Real quick. Again, I'm new to this freaking live shit, so bear with my dumb ass. Soul 8823 just said tink made that hit list of people he said he was uh, gonna get at and take. Still hasn't faced any of them and and that's what I'm saying about.
Speaker 3:I was at the ryan garcia fight.
Speaker 2:He's only fought frank, martin and lamont since and and that's why I think he's going to get an early exit and he still holds his legacy and we have a real Tank fanboy with us that could attest to this. If he does his thing against Roach, right, gets him out of there, whatever wins decisively, even wins a close one. Does his thing against Roach and then fights Shakur win or lose. Tank could retire and ride off into the sunset.
Speaker 1:He's good after that. Who cares? Shakur is the best.
Speaker 3:Don't be surprised if he fights Kripple after the Roach fight. Don't be surprised if he rematches.
Speaker 1:Kripple, so Willie Shakur is the best and he's the best. Who they have to figure it out. Who I said Shakur and Tank they have to figure it out. That's the big.
Speaker 2:We have people agreeing. That's the biggest fight in boxing.
Speaker 3:They have to figure it out. The day of Crawford Spence that night I posted a picture of Shakur versus Tank. I was like this is the next mega fight in the sport.
Speaker 2:Four Corners just said Shakur, I'm sorry guys, we're live on three things right now so I'm looking all over the place, but it's cool to get the feedback. And again, I'm new at this, so bear with me, and I'm also tipsy because I drink. Fuck you if you judge me. Shakur should fight kid, then tank next. That's what Four Corners just said and I agree.
Speaker 3:I agree. I want kid's dad to shut the fuck up, bro. Yeah, I've been quiet this whole episode. We get talking about Shakur and I'm fired up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's good though. It's alright, though we're already over an hour and the fact that we're getting fan feedback and people are tuning in. I'll sit here on my ass all day and drink in poke boxes.
Speaker 3:Can I talk about the fight though?
Speaker 2:Yeah, go, go go.
Speaker 3:Like I said, I've been quiet this whole podcast, but I've been, I fucking told y'all, I told y'all For years Two years ago, Zepeda turned down the Shakur-Stevenson fight. As a matter of fact, Austin De La Hoya turned it down for him and I've been saying this was going to happen. You have, you said Zepeda looks good against Shakur and you know what he did. Props to him.
Speaker 2:He, and you know what he did.
Speaker 3:Props to him he looked at shakur, but you know why he looked good against shakur because shakur fought zapata's fight and beat him. Shakur didn't run around.
Speaker 3:He didn't move around until for like the last 10 seconds around nine and the last five seconds around 12 he put himself on the ropes, he put himself in the corner, he stood right in front of him and that dude still had problems hitting him and he landed almost 200 power punches on that guy. Crazy. Did he drop him? Did he knock him out? Did he rock him? No, that's okay, beat him. Yeah, you don't have to.
Speaker 2:No he's so accurate and and it goes back to what I said earlier and you're, you're 100, you're 100, right, this was technically shakur's worst performance. If you just look at the numbers, you don't watch the fight and whatever your biased opinion is, this is his worst fight ever with the amount of times he got hit and he looked that good. And again people are shitting on Zepeda and he is very one-dimensional, but he's a fucking dog dude and Zepeda did not stop throwing. Willie looked at me during the fight and he went dude. This guy does not stop throwing. He's like Willie looked at me during the fight and he went dude. This guy does not stop throwing. But I will say this I'm happy for Shakur's hands, whoever that hand wrapping guy is, because in like the fourth or fifth round I was, like Shakur's landing a lot. If that hand goes, this is not going to go well and that's always going to be his exclamation point. Really, this fight showed his only problem to me is that that hands might go.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, he didn't have to move, he didn't dance around or all that shit you said he did Not you, but fans. He didn't even use his jab all that much Like he was throwing a lot of jabs to the body, but it's not like he relied on that because people say you know he's a jab, merchant Bro. He was in the show. He was landing a lot of like uppercuts. He threw the right hook too many times it wasn't landing, but he was. He was when he was.
Speaker 1:he was landing like four punch combos throughout the whole fight yeah, I'm surprised he didn't use the jab when he just like stick it out and like mushed a head and is like direct him to where he wanted to go. He, he didn't use that jab either. He didn't do nothing.
Speaker 2:Four Corners says that type of fight makes both fighters better 100%. And you know what? I almost feel bad for Zepeda because Zepeda did so good in that fight. I don't want to just hype Shakur up so much and I think he pitched a shutout. But Zepeda is now also high, high risk, low reward. In a sense.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean yeah, but I think with turkey, because you can say the same thing about cuello, you can say the same thing about matias. Turkey's gonna make the fights happen, yeah for real, if you're right if they're not, there's other shit on pbc you.
Speaker 2:You're a little wrong, though. You can't say the same thing about matias, because technically he has the belt now, so he's not high risk, low reward.
Speaker 3:There's a reward there but I'm saying he was, he was for pollo yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah in that fight, oh yeah definitely, definitely and god.
Speaker 1:But but that, um chicory, he just that uppercut was there the whole time.
Speaker 3:He rarely do it, it was there and when he did it was landing it was landing, but he could have had that shit all day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we kept on screaming that bitch. One thing.
Speaker 2:One thing, me richard, we was both singing, I have I have to toot my own horn in a sense, and not that I have anything to do with how good shakur did or taking any credit, but shakur was kind of listening to what hitchens and clarissa were saying because they were the loudest. Yeah, bud too. Bud was to. The bud was on the other side of the ring but he kept looking over at Hitchens and talking and looking at Clarissa and I was in between them so I started yelling. I was like bro, get off the ropes, get the fuck off the ropes. And then Clarissa obviously heard me and Hitchens heard me and they started yelling. Bro, I was about to do a little pocket hockey and crank one out.
Speaker 3:Because I was about to do a little pocket hockey and crank one out, because I was like, wow, baby listen, lampley brought it up too. Because he's like, look, he's doing a good job defensively against the ropes, but when the fight's in the center of the ring he shows how much better he is.
Speaker 2:In the center of the ring. Dude, if he just stays in the center, he will.
Speaker 1:It's not like he getting pushed to the corner either.
Speaker 2:That's the crazy thing he's going to the corner. Yeah, yeah, and in the same corner, that same far right.
Speaker 1:Because when he was, he was, you know, guarding up but moving forward in the middle of the ring at the same time, Like he was too small.
Speaker 2:Yo, our guy Wade was too small.
Speaker 1:And then he leans forward.
Speaker 3:He did the same thing that Jermel Charlo did against Brian Castaño in their first fight, the one that was a draw, like Castaño's a come-forward pressure fighter, and Jermel Charlo was putting himself on the ropes. And I'm like, what are you—like I hate—I didn't like it, but it worked Like I was wrong. I was just nervous. I was like, fuck, this isn't the way to win. But, like, Shakur knows more than I do, Let me read these comments quick.
Speaker 2:Sorry guys, I'm new at this again. Wilfam First, our guy who goes to every fight too. Yo, this guy is a real one. I love this dude. He brings his kids to fights. He goes to fights by himself. Wilfam First says Shakur beats Tank in a boring 12-round fight. I don't think Tank throws enough for Shakur's defense. Yeah, I could see that too. Unless he gets knocked down, though, because when Tank does throw and it's clear Shakur gets hit Tank's going to try and set him up.
Speaker 1:Both of them got great counters. That's why it's going to be like a technical match, because if somebody throws, I think Shakur would probably just jab the shit out of them all day. But if they get a counter hit, it's going to be something.
Speaker 2:Sly Tendencies fan of our show always tunes in Notified us that Instagram sucks Just stated Shakur had a point to prove he gambled and it's paying dividends. Zepeda did the best thing he could do for himself. He watched Serrano try to box with a master boxer and lose. I agree, but I also kind of disagree. That's how Zepeda fights.
Speaker 3:He has no other way to fight.
Speaker 2:There's no other way. Soul8823, who asked that question earlier in regards to the Berlanga fight, which we're going to get to shortly, said Shakur could have made that fight look a lot easier. Shakur put himself at risk and we just said that. Yeah, I agree, he put himself at risk by going to the corner. Speaking of corners Four Corners, boxing says we were screaming war, shakur Hell yeah, he did his thing.
Speaker 1:He proved people wrong. He said he did everything he said he was going to do too, and more so. You know what I'm saying? Big ups to Shakur Stevenson man.
Speaker 3:You still got people talking like oh he's boring, oh he ran. I'm like when did he run? And then they're saying oh, you just prefer amateur fights. No no. I was like he stood in front of him. He put himself on the ropes and he landed 200 power punches. Put himself on the ropes and he landed 200 power punches. What more do you want from me? Yeah, you got people calling him chinny still. Anybody who's still hating on that fight?
Speaker 2:specifically no, they don't know what, it's blatant it's blatant hate like willie said willie, willie, willie made a good, good analysis of the fight. He's like I. I thought williams apata landed a lot more punches than what you guys all saw, or whatever, but he definitely, definitely lost and like that he definitely lost and even the caption in my meme that I made after that fight.
Speaker 3:The caption is props to the pay to because he's looked better against Shakur than anyone else has, but Shakur still like. I still gave him nine rounds.
Speaker 2:I didn't see the caption. I just I just saw that giant Mora gave Zapata five rounds. Just so we're fucking clear, really, no, but what I say, but what I say about mora. Mora is a great analysis when it's not a latino fighter, when it's a latino fighter, dude mora is the most biased dude ever. And I I met mora recently, great guy. This is my problem with this podcast because I'm such a fan. Great guy. I liked him as a fighter, but as an analysis he just he holds on to that latino bias way too much, man, and I get it. It's hard to to break, but as an analysis you cannot do that, no, and and you know what, like tarver was also doing some stupid shit.
Speaker 3:He oh he heard him talk about like zapata, her chakur, it's dude. The punch didn't even land, it was clearly on the glove and he'd be like, oh, he hurt him. I'm like, what is it? I don't know who Barber said Zepeda hurt him six times in the fight.
Speaker 1:Nobody got hurt in that fight.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, I'm doing a million things at once. Now. This is really hard when you're drunk. I'm the drinker on the show, you show, you're the second and willie's the third. But uh, spirit of lfc fans says our team you guys know something about boxing. It's scrolling up. Our team possesses a comprehensive understanding of the interest intricacies of boxing. Oh man, we're getting a lot of comments. Uh, that's good, though. That's good. Yeah, I don't know who you are. Yo DM me guy, and we're like deep into the show too. It's awesome. I know we're deep in. Sorry, this is shit. I'm getting Instagram messages. I'm all over the place. I have ADD people chill out. Nah, I'm just kidding. Keep it coming. You guys are making me coming. My bad people need to shut the fuck up when calling him boring. He did what he wanted him to do last night and you're still my bad. People need to shut the fuck up when calling him boring.
Speaker 2:He did what he wanted him to do last night and you're still complaining. If you want to hear bitching, I'll call your baby mama. That's from Ham Rothstein.
Speaker 1:Hey, don't call my baby mama. I'm the only one here with a baby mama.
Speaker 2:Ham Rothstein states Mora is the Umar Johnson of commentary when it comes to La Raza, spirit of LFC fan says you have no bias, no favoritism and no tribal mindset.
Speaker 2:I mean I definitely have favoritism, I'm not gonna lie, as again for our new listeners and people just tuning in. We are all just fans. We are not experts. We're just fans that are nerds about boxing and watch, just tuning in. We are all just fans. We are not experts. We're just fans that are nerds about boxing and watch it like most podcasts are. Uh, tmo dom just caught. Oh my god, this is gonna turn it. I need a producer. Hey, if any of you people know a goddamn producer, I'll pay. Tmo dom just said uh, eyes, eyes, eyes, ayo, ayo, that's your boy.
Speaker 1:All right going forward.
Speaker 2:We talked about Shakur. Enough, let's keep it rolling. David Murrell versus Imam Kat oh no.
Speaker 1:What are you doing? I'm drunk. He's going way back.
Speaker 2:I have to pee. I'm drunk.
Speaker 1:I gotta pee. Bad dude. Shout out to Shushu man. Shushu just wrote me back. I told him that he's getting a beard. I said he's getting a beard. He said puberty just came in. What the?
Speaker 3:fuck. He messages y'all back.
Speaker 2:Yo, actually I have to take a piss too. Guys, stay here. Willie, do you have to pee too? Should we take a break?
Speaker 1:All these people just came in. Y'all gotta take breaks.
Speaker 3:I'll answer some comments I can see them, I gotta zoom in.
Speaker 2:He's gonna answer some comments. Yo, we're actually gonna shout some shit out too, because I really gotta pee and I drink, but then we're gonna chop up Edgar Berlenga versus Hamza Shiraz. Let me go pee, I drink, go ahead, fellas. You see the comments comments.
Speaker 1:I can't even see them I I can see some of them. Let me go to youtube ham rothstein.
Speaker 3:I'm here for my boy punchlines that bro is out. I can't say that word, that bro is out of pocket. But I'm here for it. Thanks, bro. I actually used to be a stand-up. Yeah, bro, what you think? I'm gonna ruin my career before it starts.
Speaker 1:Let me see what word he said. I don't want to see it, papa.
Speaker 3:John's lost his empire saying that shit, the fuck's going to happen to me. What's your at on IG, bro? I can say it yeah, you want to read his comment for me, he said that nigga out of pocket.
Speaker 1:I'm here for it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I am. I'm super out of pocket. It's a risk. Yeah, that risk got me two jobs in boxing to where I can actually help fighters now, which I'm very grateful for yeah, you're funny as hell, bro, I keep on going with your shit, man yeah, when I get in the zone, I get in the zone.
Speaker 3:But uh, yeah, ham, what's your? What's your at on ig? I'm not, I don't recognize your name. I, I'm sorry, but yeah, no, dude, the Shakur fight was my favorite fight, bro. Like I get so tense, like even if it's a big fight, like I get like my legs like shake a little bit, like I have to, like I lean forward, like with my elbows on my knees and like holding my chin like this and stuff, because like I'm not like Kuma, where he's like yelling and getting amped up. I like it's like it's fourth and six with 10 seconds left, and like like you need the first down. Like like I get like that when when my guys fight, especially like a dude, I talk a lot of shit. Especially when it's for my fighters, I talk a lot of shit. So like if they lose, it's going to come down on me and I'm going to be like, because I talk a lot of shit, I'm going to have to eat that. So it's like it's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 2:Oh good, I feel like a million bucks now.
Speaker 1:Okay, but that should have been the main event. Though I don't care what they say, man, that was better than the main event. You know what I'm saying? It should have been the main event. It was for belt shakur. Had everybody there. Everybody showed up really for shakur, for the most part all the all the you know famous boxers there that's.
Speaker 3:That's a recent trend, though, if you think about it like the jake paul card, we didn't care about the jake paul card fight. We cared more about kid and tevin, or even zerto and dortico's however you say his name uh, the the veto fight. We obviously cared more about jahai and truck jahai was at this fight too.
Speaker 3:Shout out to him, yeah yeah, he messaged me this weekend too. Shout out to him and then I love jahai bro. He's so cool. Um, but then the fight this weekend not that we're going to get into it, but what I'm saying is obviously, barrios Pacquiao is the main event. I care way more about Sue Fundora.
Speaker 2:We're going to get into that too. Though Now that we're rolling, Willie, you good. I'm going to go grab a LaCroix. What did I miss? I just took a piss.
Speaker 1:No, he was just shouting out people.
Speaker 2:Four Corners said go take a piss bro.
Speaker 3:Yo.
Speaker 2:Four Corners. I don't know how y'all do this. This shit is hard. I got like ADD bro. They do this a lot. Yo, follow Four Corners. If you are following, they're at every fight. We meet them. We actually met at fights. But um Yo, if this keeps up, I'm going to have to wear a diaper.
Speaker 1:He says Shiraz should have came out to fucking. Lean back instead of fucking.
Speaker 2:I got something to say about that too. Once Punch gets back, we're going to Enough with the Shakur talk. That was fun. We're going to get into the main event itself, and then we have to preview fights.
Speaker 1:You're good, right, Willie? I know Willie's a working man.
Speaker 2:I'm going to get help tomorrow morning probably yeah, I just gotta wake up yeah we again, again for our new listeners we're just fans. Uh, we just, we just do this as fans so we and I work 1 30 am.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we'll get up we're gonna get work you guys aren't just fans, you are now brand ambassadors, bro oh, oh, I'm oh shit, I'm a brand ambassador for playing ironically brand yeah, I forgot.
Speaker 1:I got your high shit on right now.
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Speaker 2:I'm not. I have. I have a question and I have a request. Uh, will is like a big fan of the show. I met him at the fights. Will is the guy I don't want to. Whatever. Will is a real dude. All right, he's a. He's a real new york dude. He's going to be at shu shu's fight fight on that card coming up at the end of the month. We're not making shirts for this fight, but do they have?
Speaker 3:any Shoe York shirts left, I would have to check. We have like four Shoe Shoe shirts on there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the Shoe York ones, the Shoe Yuriko ones, or you mean the old ones. Yeah, yeah, he said no, he said no. I need that shoe York Rican enlarged for the next fight. No large on the website.
Speaker 3:Yeah, unfortunately there's not going to be any more. That shirt's over a year old. Fuck, because, dude, we have to print another run of Rohan Polanco's shirts because we sold out of the first batch.
Speaker 1:Damn.
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Speaker 2:We're eventually gonna have to start making those sly tendencies just said about the shirts not to change topic, and I'm not um. Hold on this stupid again. I'm bad at this. It was about thanks for playing, though. How do I get? Why is it like that?
Speaker 3:oh, I see what he's saying.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure he said I'm putting an order together. Thanks for playing. Can I mention you guys? Not for a discount, just to like for us, but uh, you'd be, you'd know that I'm not.
Speaker 3:I don't know if there's like a comment section on the order, but and then I run the IG. So if he sends it to the IG, I'm just going to read it.
Speaker 2:Will Pham said I got that black and yellow lightning already. It's all good 100. Yo Will DM me for shirts that come out and I'll see what I could do for you, because we have like something going on behind the scenes, you know what Fuck it?
Speaker 3:Give me your address, I'll send you mine. What the?
Speaker 2:Shoe York.
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Speaker 2:Will? You heard that? Probably a.
Speaker 3:It's probably a little delay, but it's a little flaked up because I've watched it a few times, but I'll send it to you.
Speaker 2:He said it's all good.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know if he said it's all good to the X.
Speaker 1:I think he said that before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, Damn dude.
Speaker 1:How do I?
Speaker 2:need. That's some real shit too, though. Yeah, damn Will, he's a real one too. Man, yeah, yeah, grab whatever you want. All right, uh, let's just get into it. Um, once willie comes back from his water. Damn, you know we, we, you know me, and punchlines were just talking like tricks and and things we need to do to make this show less than an hour. You know, he said you, the fucking man yo shout out, shout out your Instagram again, punch, so he could DM you yeah, message me at either punchlines underscore boxing or thanks for playing shop, or just message Puma.
Speaker 2:Will just hit me up and I'll give him that address. Good looking out. He's a real one too cool. Alright, Yo. Good looking out.
Speaker 3:Yo, he's a real one too Like for real, for real, Cool Cool cool, cool.
Speaker 2:All right, we haven't even talked about the main event. I know we got to talk about the main event and then we got to preview fights. So Willie, yeah, willie, going to be sleepy at work, bro, all right.
Speaker 1:Let's just get right.
Speaker 2:Work, bro, all right. Let's just get right, it's all right. No, this was, this was a fun. That makes it so much fun, bro, yo, and if you guys that are the investment man.
Speaker 1:You know I'm saying we're doing this shit for fun, we're doing this. Just keep the podcast going, man. We, this shit has been the best like years of my life. If I wasn't like doing this shit, I would literally be probably at home because I get bored. Now I don't like to do shit, I bring.
Speaker 2:Willie outside, you make me come back outside.
Speaker 1:I'm usually a party person. That's the crazy. I was a party person.
Speaker 2:Now I'm back outside, willie actually calms me down, bro, I do. If there's a fight, let's just go chill and watch the fight at home. I'm wild, I just keep going.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'd like to be home now bro.
Speaker 2:But enough about us. This ain't about us, sly Tendencies says. By the way, I saw Hamza say that he talked with Berlenga's dad. He's in the hospital with a concussion. He said him and Berlenga are cool. Sly also said y'all need to put a cash app up. I'll break bread. I listen to boxing shows all the time and they're ass. This is the only one I like. Yo, you don't. We don't need money, bro. This is not about money, but I just creamed my pants.
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Speaker 2:so that goes for all the thanks for playing. People just always repost it and show it. It's all about social media. Now, four corners just said where you're watching the fights this weekend. Actually, four corners. I'm excited to say I am watching these fights right here in the spartan. I am so excited for that because it's been a while. July, as you know, you're in New York. July has been not rough rough in a good way for the boxing fan. There's been so many fights in New York and we all like to go to all of them. This weekend I am sitting my ass right here. You can't see it right now, but the setup is nice and I am watching the fights here, doing absolutely nothing. Willie might be there with me, we'll eat some pizza, get fat, but we are having an old-school little boxing thing going on and I'm excited. Not that we didn't have fun.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 2:I'm actually going to miss the shoo-shoo fight. I'm going to miss that whole card in MSG which I actually feel guilty about. I'm going to Florida but I'm watching. Another Thanks for Playing fighter Lorenzo Medina heavyweight. He's on his come up, coming back. There's big things coming for him. He said can four corners pull up, bro? I'm out on Long Island, dm me four corners, we will chat. We will chat pull up for real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that'd be fire yeah I live in oasis, idaho.
Speaker 2:I watch all the fights from home, yeah he uh, yo will fam first again shout out to you because I I see you in every fight and you're like us. We don't, we don't take free tickets. We don't free tickets. I could get a press pass. I have connections to get a press pass. We don't want a press pass. We are fans, we are paying to play and Will is just like that.
Speaker 1:Will is just like that and he has a whole family with him, always got his sons with him, though that's a real dude right there I think they Puerto Rican too. He's black. They Puerto Rican too, but he's black and Puerto Rican Like me. I got me mixed babies black and Puerto Rican.
Speaker 2:Terracotta Pie. Yo, we're getting fucking.
Speaker 3:Is that a down?
Speaker 2:song. Yo are you making names over there, punchlines? This has to be Terracotta Pie. Terracotta Pie just said I didn't think a fight at the tennis center was a good idea, but that shit was lit. Great show. I saw Clarissa cakes from from the nosebleeds. My man you should have had my view.
Speaker 3:You should have had my view.
Speaker 2:I was and I mean this in the most respectful way I can I was in that cake. I was. I was scratching and sniffing and eating, anyway, that's all you could see. I missed the whole damn fight because I was in them. Cheeks, bro. All right, let's get into it. I'm actually going to crack another beer. Willie, you could shout out this next fight while I open this beer. The main event quote unquote. We are deep in. We have another probably hour to go. Edgar Berlanga versus Hamza Shiraz. Recap of the main event.
Speaker 1:Willie, what did you think? It started off with drama. That's what it is. It definitely started off with drama, because we saw Egan come out. I forgot where Shiraz came out to. I thought he was kind of boring. He came out after Four different songs, his songs right, what was it? He came out to a New York song. Nah, it was too much shit going on when we was there. I just know when edgar came out, it was like a lot of drama because he came out, the fat joe fat joe lean back hey, it wasn't lean back, though, was it.
Speaker 2:No, was it yeah, no, it wasn't, was it no he didn't come out to lean back.
Speaker 1:He came out whatever really my verse, ain't it? I'm not bugging, nah we was doing a lean back.
Speaker 2:Yes, we was.
Speaker 1:We dead ass. Let's lean back. I'm not bugging. Nah, we was doing a lean back? Yes, we was. We was deadass doing a lean back, were we? Yes, we were.
Speaker 2:Yo, you're right, you were, you were, we just lost punch. Yeah, remy Ma came out.
Speaker 1:No, we were doing lean back. That's where everybody started, everybody doing lean back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you corners, confirmed, punch, punch you fucking up right now. Good, can you see me?
Speaker 3:I can see you now.
Speaker 2:I don't know what you just did, you good.
Speaker 3:Can you hear me?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're like breaking up, Hold on, hold on y'all. But yeah, it was lean back.
Speaker 3:You're right, yo, willie.
Speaker 2:So those that don't know, willie's actually like a dancer.
Speaker 1:He's like a legit dancer and he's not back that yeah, you're back, you're back I do tap ballet, all that and like he's good at it, so we uh, we, we're gonna lean back comes on and then I'm like I'm listening to it. Ah, we were all doing lean back, and then they go into remy miles verse. I'm like why are? Why are they playing Remy Ma's voice? And you know, clarissa here, I did not see the whole time. I didn't see it until today when I seen, like the Instagram reels and shit, that Remy Ma was there.
Speaker 2:You don't remember though. You don't remember though, bro, and again I'm the token white guy, but you don't remember I was like yo, bro. They really like look who they brought out with him. Nah, you didn't remember that. I did not see. I'm like holy shit.
Speaker 1:And you know, everybody's standing up and I'm like I'm short. I'm like 5'5". We got fucking Yachty. Everybody over there is just tall and I'm like yo, why are they playing this? This is awkward for Clarissa, clarissa, mad quiet, poof right there, mad quiet, right there, all next to us.
Speaker 2:I'm like damn, this is getting crazy and I'm not gonna lie, clarissa was she just actually left? Boatseye was the guy she took, yeah, took a seat. How do you say his name again? I always say it wrong Batsy, boatseye, boatseye, boatseye, yeah, so he was sitting in front of us the whole fight. So he was sitting in front of us the whole fight. Cool ass dude, real cool. Clarissa came just for Shakur and was like yo, you in my seat.
Speaker 1:Nah, nah, she didn't say that. Come on, man.
Speaker 3:She came out and sat ringside.
Speaker 2:Yeah that was cool. Yeah, we saw it.
Speaker 1:I don't think she said that to him.
Speaker 2:Bro, she was like yo, you in my seat, you in my seat Yo.
Speaker 1:She was a passionate fan of Shakur. She was just like yo. Can we switch seats for a Shakur fight? That's what she said Yo get the fuck Yo you're being friendly.
Speaker 2:No, she did, bro William's being friendly bro. No, you dragging it out when she said that I wasn't drunk this time you can't, I was sober as shit you dragging it.
Speaker 1:I didn't see it. She did have like like yo, yo you gotta switch, go sit next to my husband.
Speaker 2:Uh well, pat poops, they weren't beefing, but he moved.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he moved and then he came back. He came back, but anyway, so that. So the lean back came on. Whatever they remy, ma, that shit started a whole drama. I'm like, yeah, this is getting great. The fight came on. I'm like yo, this is fire. But shiraz, he, shiraz looked at good in the beginning of the fight. I'm like, wait, hold, wait, hold up. Belanger, he can't. It looked like he was just off. He looked shook, he looked scared of him. I'm like yo, this is it. Looked like a limited fighter.
Speaker 1:Yo, he was not All the shit, he was talking. I'm thinking six round knockout Everybody else around us like yo, he gonna knock him out. Then we had the Muslim girls behind us right there. They was all behind us and all that, fossil almost caught a charge. Fossil what?
Speaker 2:did he do? What did Fossil do? For those that don't know, Fossil was my first co-host ever. He's why we really started this. I used to box with him back in the day.
Speaker 1:No, I was making a joke because I was saying y'all all look alike because y'all nose and shit.
Speaker 2:That's why we brought Fossil, actually because if you guys know me, which some of you here do, I get pretty rowdy at fights, but this was my first actual Turk card like Turkey out of sheet card. I was like, let me bring Fossil. His mom is actually Arabic, which I don't know. Disrespect, I just needed some protection.
Speaker 1:That was crazy. That no disrespect I just needed some protection. So that fight was crazy though I ain't gonna lie. It was a good fight early. It was yo.
Speaker 2:I and I I talked about this in the beginning of the show and I'm going to go off with my take real quick, but but longer put so much pressure on himself that he did not need to put on himself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you kept on saying that Like like pressure on himself that he did not need to put on himself. Yeah, you kept on saying that, like, like he put, he literally put new york on his back and let that be known and and maybe he needed that to motivate him or something, and and that's fine. But, dude, like, like new york is new york, like it's the biggest city in the world and I'm not saying that because we're from here, but we're a very passionate fan base and I recall yourself, the king of new york, without a belt. Exactly, you're calling yourself the king of new york and you're making arguments of why you're the king of new york and and and you kind of lit a fire in a nice guy in shiraz, and I think that's what the difference was. You made shiraz hate your guts with all his shit talking stuff. He made shiraz like, no, no, I'm gonna do whatever I can to knock you out.
Speaker 3:Shiraz even checked him in the press conferences because he kept for longer, kept saying like, oh Shiraz, better not run, better not run. He's like. How do you say that when you ran for 12 rounds versus Canelo you? Know so someone had nothing to say and everybody started laughing at him.
Speaker 2:Someone's making fun of me. I like it. Soul 8823 said lmao from kingston, you're absolutely right, I'm from kingston, new york, upstate new york, still new york. Suck my dick, soul. I probably bullied you in high school, you little loser, anyway, uh, but but for real, um, he, he put that pressure on himself. He had everyone around him. I think he had a lot of, yes, men around him. You know what I'm saying, like, because if I'm in his corner I'm like yo, chill with all that, chill with all that. Let's just box, let's beat this guy. You have a shot to beat this guy. He's a little. No, I'm sorry, no, you're good, he's a little inflated. He's a little inflated, let's beat this guy. How do we beat this fucking guy?
Speaker 2:New York though this is New York Upstate too. He had upstate New York backing him too, you bum ass.
Speaker 1:Who are you? He had New York backing him. A little light in New York is bigger than you being a man in like Kentucky. If you're the man in.
Speaker 2:Kentucky if you got a little light in New York.
Speaker 1:That's how you feel he just felt that he's just a real.
Speaker 2:You know, and I don't mean to bring him up again. You know who's a good example of that, who? Tia Fimo. Tia Fimo is from Florida. He was born in Brooklyn and claimed Brooklyn. Right, I thought you was about to say something else.
Speaker 1:No to your female bro.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's what you're saying. A good comparison. I don't know if that's a good. Oh shit, my bad. Sol, he said I was saying fossils from Kingston. Oh damn, my bad. He is too. That's my friend. This shit is delayed. I'm coming at people. Berlanga has always been a can crusher. He did all right against canelo, but that's it. He didn't even do all right against canelo. In my opinion, someone else and let's just stick to the fight. Enough about the semantics, let's just stick to the fight itself. Canelo, canelo to me, punch, stop moving. This guy's giving me a seizure. Canelo to me could have got him out of there. Could have got Berlenga out of there. Chose not to Like. Canelo got mad that Berlenga was like getting a little dirty, remember, yeah, and he stopped. He's like I'm not going to try and kill this guy. That was just what I saw. Some fossil said something no, you. You said you were like, no, he was trying. I was like, yeah, he was trying.
Speaker 1:But like I feel like Canelo eased up, I don't, it's like Belanga was moving around last, but Belanga was trying to fight in the inside, this fight so, and they didn't throw nothing. What you were saying, that's what you were saying. He was in the inside and did not throw nothing.
Speaker 2:So you know what Berlenga did do. That was good.
Speaker 1:His jab was amazing. I ain't going to lie to you.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. You know what he did do. That was good, but he didn't execute it Was? He watched the Adames fight, right? And when he got in trouble, he tried to fight like Adames, adames. I'm sorry, adames, adames, adames, leave me alone, stop drinking, I'm coming now. He tried to fight like Adamus right and he put his chin down right and he tried to go on the inside, but he didn't. He was there, he was right there, but he didn't fight on the inside. He didn't throw no punches and when he did.
Speaker 3:It was all to the head, it was all hooks. The dude's got a body like this big around.
Speaker 2:He threw one body punch and then Shiraz learned from the Adamas fight, and what Shiraz did was like oh, I've been here before, I didn't look that great, and he was tagging Berlanga up, and that's when the knockout came. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1:He was like he was reminding me of Fandora, a little bit Like lanky, tall, just throwing hooks and shit inside the pocket. I'm like whoa, I didn't even notice. James had this in his bag. I didn't know.
Speaker 3:The difference between him and Fandora, because this is what the point I was going to make was. Early on, berlinda tried fighting him from the outside, and Shiraz isn't Fandora. The dude has a killer jab. It's arguably his best punch. He knocked out liam williams with it in the first round.
Speaker 2:Bro, he's got a and he was tagging adamus with it and we talked about that the last. We talked about that the last episode. We're like that's like the key, that's the key. And I said too, I was like guys with styles like berlanga, I'm sorry, guys with style like, uh, shiraz berlanga has has problems with styles like shiraz berlanga has problems, but shiraz didn't show that that style in this fight and I think that, like I said earlier, was the reason for that was because he was fucking, he got mad. He was like I'm gonna, I'm trying to knock this dude the fuck out because of all the shit. Berlanga talk. Berlanga put a, put a fake gun to his head and and pulled the trigger times, yeah. And then berlanga did have new york on his back. I had. I had a lot of people come up to me like yo, I like berlanga swagger, that's real new york city, which is cool and that's good if that's what you're going for. But you got to fight my guy. You got to fight and that's nothing against him.
Speaker 1:Surrounders look like the old school gangs in New York. He's like put him up. He had his hands up. I'm like hold on. What kind of style is this right here? That jab was coming Both of they had nice jabs Both of them had nice jabs that night.
Speaker 2:I don't know what happened to them. Listen, listen, I'm actually. I met Berlanga multiple times. You was gambling with him.
Speaker 2:I used to gamble with Berlanga during COVID. He had like some weird gambling ring going on. I like Berlanga a lot as a person. I want him to recover from this. I'm always going to root for New York, no matter what, whether you're from upstate, downstate, wherever you're from in New York, I'm obviously Team New York right. Even if you piss me off, daryl Miller. Even if you piss me off, I'm rooting for New York. I hope Berlanger recovers from this and I hope he trains well.
Speaker 3:That was the point I was trying to make earlier. When you watch him training like, oh, he's getting better. It's like he's getting better at the things he was already good at. He's not working on the things he's not good at. It's like I'm a huge jaguars fan. Right love trevor lawrence. Dude's got an amazing deep ball. He's got great velocity over the middle. Talent, talent, talent working on that shit. Yeah, you gotta get like work on these short throws that you miss. Work on these post snap reads that you've been messing up like work on then pressure like berlanga he.
Speaker 3:He was just an I don't know how to explain it an improved version of what he already was, but not good enough to beat these top guys. Because hom Hamzat was calm, bro. He was calm Kind of like Tank was calm against Roley. It's like eventually this guy is going to make a mistake.
Speaker 2:And when he did, he got caught, like we've talked about before, maybe a few episodes ago, but you were on the show Punch. There's two tiers in that weight division, right? 168,. Right, yeah, there's two tiers in that weight division, right, 168, right, yeah, there's two tiers in that weight division. There's canelo, and then there's his leftovers and like his hamza isn't. He doesn't. We don't know what hamza is yet. You know what I mean. He looked bad against the dames or adamus, whatever you guys call him, and yeah, but he's not there yet, right? But? But when you asked me a while back what's the best fight to make? What's your best fight to make right now, what was my response to you is, it was it's all of canelo's leftovers versus one another, right and like they need to prove themselves and then fight canelo. Canelo is the biggest problem with this weight division because he's inflating people fucking. Berlanga had a parade, bro. He had a parade for losing. Like he's inflating people Fucking. Berlanga had a parade, bro, he had a parade for losing.
Speaker 1:He's inflating these people. That little light in New York. Just put a battery in your back, man Boy Slot said.
Speaker 3:He said fucking you gotta know better than that.
Speaker 1:Slot said honestly felt like Oscar was the main reason Berlanga looked so bad.
Speaker 2:Berlanga just roasted his. He was a roast to the shadow and Berlanga and his corner surrounded by yes-men. The biggest problem in boxing is like everyone wants to be a rock star and the modern-day version of rock star is rap star. So everybody wants to be a rap star, right. But just because you make some money, you're not a rap star. And that's why these boxers go so broke when the end comes Like you're a rock star to a very niche, whatever you say, just like a Dom's, a Damus market.
Speaker 1:You're not a rock star, yet the diamonds is glistening to the fucking pawn shop. That goes for all of us. Right back to the pawn shop where they go broke. Diamonds is glistening. Oh, they be rented. We found out that they rent chains Hell yeah.
Speaker 2:Will Fanfer says Berlanga is good but not top tier. Plant is the fight to make. Now, Again, plant is in that category.
Speaker 1:Plant is in that category. That's Punch Man's right there Also, though, and again, plant is in that category.
Speaker 2:Plant is in that category that's Punch Man's right there. It's not going to happen. And also, though, Plant is in that category of Canelo's leftovers. Yeah.
Speaker 3:But you know what, though? There's other guys too, right Like they can actually do a really good Super 6 tournament right now, because you got Nbili, you got Shiraz, you got Pacheco, you gotester Martinez, there's a lot of guys at 168 that aren't Canelo leftovers and they're on the come up.
Speaker 2:No, there is there is, but I still feel Canelo is the. I love Canelo. I'm not a Canelo hater and again, I think he beats Terrence Crawford. He's not being Crawford. I think he beats Terrence Crawford. What about the outbox him? I'm rooting for Terrence Crawford. He's not being. I think he beats Terrence Crawford. What about the outboxed him? I'm rooting for Terrence Crawford. We'll talk about that in a few weeks, but I think he beats Terrence Crawford right. But Canelo right now, with these belts, is the problem with 168. Nobody knows what they're fighting for. What are these guys fighting for?
Speaker 3:Money?
Speaker 1:There's not even enough money though none of them really have a name to even get those that type of money you know who?
Speaker 2:the smartest guy in boxing right now is who? William Skull. That is the smartest guy in boxing because he seriously has sensed this and was like I'm just gonna go get canelo and get a bag. I got ties with whatever belt sanctions. This boom, got a bag got unscathed, went out unscathed and is rich as hell. Like now. Nobody wants to see him fight again, but it don't matter.
Speaker 1:He has that bag like it's like for that fight too but if he do get a fight, you know, and then he's, he beats up whoever he fights next, then he. But oh shit, he can fight. Uh, then he's right back at the game he's, and then he already made the canelo leftovers.
Speaker 2:Now he's in the canelo left, yeah, yeah, like it's, it's crazy, dude, like it's annoying, and that's why, like I don't want to go off on another tangent, I'm a little tipsy now, but I'm gonna. Here we go and we, we got a lot to catch up on you, good willie.
Speaker 1:What the hell are you about to say now?
Speaker 2:that's why the the biggest blemish on it's like the steroid era in baseball. The biggest blemish on canelo's career is the benavidez duck yeah it, dude, it's the I.
Speaker 3:I said this to an mma fan. I was like canelo benavidez is our version of john jones versus tom aspinall yeah, biggest blemish, biggest blemish and yeah, it's fucking it's, it's and and and.
Speaker 2:Listen again, I'm gonna bring him up again. He's. He was at the show with us fossils a huge canelo fan, right? The guy that my old co-host that went to the show with us Fossil's a huge Canelo fan, right? The guy that my old co-host that went to the show with us Willie, you're much better, but our old co-host that went to the show with us Good friend of mine, same thing. He's a big Canelo fan, and part of the reason he's off the show is because you just have to hold. You can't just be a fan. When TO fucks up, I say TO's a retard, you have to like I didn't say that word, I don't get to. You know what I mean, though.
Speaker 3:I get called a Canelo hater all the time, but it's like I'm not a hater Because I have Canelo shirts. I have a Canelo hat. I used to love watching Canelo. Of course I'm critical of him because there's been a lot of steps taken in his recent career that are criticizable. If that's even a word, there's room to criticize there.
Speaker 1:How the hell did we even get to Canelo? Because it's the 168 fight yeah 168.
Speaker 2:He's holding him hostage.
Speaker 3:Turkey wants Shiraz to fight Canelo. Anyway, you said that shit though right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he does, of course he does. Who doesn't, who doesn't? Canelo is the cash cow right now. Canelo is the cash cow. Will Pham first says I think Crawford's foot movement will win him the fight. I mean, coming up.
Speaker 3:two weight classes we got too many other fights.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah Will. We can't get into that.
Speaker 3:dissecting that, that's like four months away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right 168, do Gotham Killers.
Speaker 2:Let me pull up the box record. I didn't even preview these fights because, again, I'm going to go off the cuff with these, but we do have to preview some fights. This is a long, two-hour and 21-minute episode of reviews. I hope you all