THE SPAR-INN
THE SPAR-INN BOXING PODCAST
ALL CURRENT EVENTS BOXING AMONGST OTHER THINGS TO INCLUDE INTERVIEWS, ANALYSIS, PREDICTIONS, OPINIONS, FUN, BANTER AND MORE ! RATED R!
THE SPAR-INN
A SPECIAL GUEST FRESH OUT OF BROOKLYN NY SPEAKS ON BOXING COMMENTARY CLASHES, TRAINING CAMP TALES ABOUT JAKE PAUL & BENAVIDEZ BATTLES!
The episode explores the role/importance of sparring partners and the accountability of certain boxing analysts, featuring the outspoken, Mad Boxer (David Sparks), who shares personal anecdotes and insights from his experiences in the boxing world, to include recent camps with names like Jake Paul, as well as David Benavidez. The conversation dives into themes of respect, the physical and emotional toll on fighters, and the importance of integrity within the sport, creating a compelling dialogue that sparks a deeper understanding of what it means to be a boxer. Sparks as usual does not hold back, calling out anyone in his path and speaks his mind on various "experts/podcasters."
• Discussion on the need for accountability among boxing analysts
• Personal stories about sparring with elite fighters
• The impact of making weight and its toll on fighters
• Insights into the culture of boxing and respect for athletes
• Discussion around expectations for upcoming fighters and fights
It's time for the main event. It's the Sparring Podcast.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's a knockout. Yo, what up, what up. New year, new us. We got a special guest Sparring Boxing Podcast.
Speaker 3:You usually do good with the intros. I know, I know I'm all flustered.
Speaker 2:now we got a very outspoken guest to start off the year. Guy never holds back.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sparks Right, flats Right, used to be the Mad Boxer. We're going to get into that. I don't know what happened with the Instagram name he back now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's back 2025.
Speaker 2:On the way in. He had a lot to say. He said he's going to let it all hang out today.
Speaker 1:Got you, he's got a fight coming up as well, brooklyn's on.
Speaker 2:I'm going to let you take it away. Just go at it, man. Just go at it. Just get after it, man. What's on your mind? We were talking about podcasts. On the way in, right, we had a little podcast convo about the drama that ensues. You had a little heartfelt something to say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, my thing is this, you know what I'm saying, I tell it the Mad. Boxer's back.
Speaker 2:The Mad Boxer's back Right away.
Speaker 3:Mad Boxer with the fucking sparkling teeth and shit.
Speaker 1:That shit, like Yo, I was saying and I'm saying like we got to start holding podcasters, so-called expert analysts, these guys that talk boxing, accountable for their actions. Now I'm not only Coming at us.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, no, look, look, look.
Speaker 1:That was my next sentence. Y'all my guys, you know what I'm a. I'm a not only, not only Coming at us, no, no, no, no, look, look, that was my next sentence. Y'all my guys, you know what I'm saying. And, and and I was telling my man, puma, on the way here I respect, I respect his approach to talking boxing. You know what I'm saying. I respect his approach to talking boxing. A lot of these guys what they do is they critique boxers and my thing is, you know they they call me mr, all call outs, and I'm saying so. I feel like if you critique boxers, you should be able to get in the ring at at some, at some capacity and do the same thing that you're critiquing. Now I'm saying and that's something that, because sometimes I sit back and I watch these guys like it's one guy in particular that he be getting me tight bro, I should have introduced him better, he about to go right off the rip New year right off.
Speaker 2:The rip First episode.
Speaker 1:Yo, this guy gets me tight, bro. I don't know his name, like Showtime, showbiz, something like that, but he got like the big eyes. You know what I'm saying. He wear like a cheese hat or something like that and I'll be watching his content and sometimes I throw darts at him because my thing is what gave you permission to critique boxers? You know what I'm saying? It's one thing to give your opinion, that's what everybody should be able to do give your opinion. But just because you get a mic in front of your face and a camera focused on you, that don't mean that you should be able to critique boxers.
Speaker 2:Did he like was there any specific fighter? I know the guy you're talking about. He just got with DAZN. I think he was doing ringside interviews and stuff with DAZN. Yeah, did he say anything in particular about a certain fighter you're friends with?
Speaker 1:I mean just his overall content. He liked to call fighters ducks and he liked to say like they. To me this is he did be saying that a lot. Yeah, he'd be calling, and my thing is this no fighters is scared of another fighter. I I don't think that that happens in this sport. It's a business thing. If it's not worth, you know, if it's not worth the the risk, then it don't make sense to do it. If it don't make dollars, it don't make sense.
Speaker 1:But to call a fighter a duck as if he's scared to fight another fighter, to me that's very offensive and and and it ain't. It ain't a thing where I'm crying or I'm complaining. It's like yo, if you, if you feel that way about boxers, why you can't get in there and and and do it and do what we do. Now I'm saying because to be so opinionated and to, to, to, to critique, like I said it saying Because to be so opinionated and to critique, like I said, it's one thing to give your opinion, but to critique and call boxers ducks like they scared, and all of that, I don't like that shit bro. You know what I mean. That rubbed me wrong.
Speaker 2:So, that being said, I have called fighters ducks, and I'm not fighting anybody, so I'm just throwing that out there.
Speaker 1:No, but as I told you.
Speaker 2:But let me finish. If you do want to fight me, you got to fight Flash.
Speaker 1:I don't throw that out there Nah. But the thing with you, puma is you're respectful, bro. You know what I'm saying. You're respectful, listen, I'm a guy that I observe, bro. I'm a very observant person. I observe your content, bro. You know what I'm saying, thank you. And you're very respectful to fighters, bro.
Speaker 2:Of course you have your opinion.
Speaker 1:There's times we go off a little yeah as we all do, but I feel like you don't criticize. You don't critique boxers as if in a negative way, so you think he's getting a little too personal. He gets too personal, bro, too personal, and I take that very offensive, because we put blood, sweat and tears in this.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying that shit is no joke.
Speaker 2:It's not, bro. So you say what really got you was he was calling them like ducks, like too many times. Yeah, we was like yo, like I thought Canelo was ducking Benavidez. I still think he's.
Speaker 1:He is, but I would never say and Benavidez, that's my brother, you know what I'm saying, that's my brother. But I would never say that Canelo's scared of him.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't say that. No, I don't think he's scared of him. He said somebody was scared of another fighter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he says it all the time, bro, like I said I observe, bro, I observe his well. For one, I feel like he tried to copy. He bite off a Stephen A Smith style. You know, what I'm saying. Yeah, he tried to be like another Stephen A Smith and all that In a boxing game yeah, you know what I'm saying. It's like yo, I get it. You know what I'm saying. You got your little gimmick going on, but show some respect, bro.
Speaker 3:A lot of them are gimm light-skinned dude. He'd go on BoxRec and then he'd show everyone oh, suspicious opponent. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Suspicious. That's another dude and I'm cool with him. You know what I'm saying. I'm cool with him because he came up in the New York Boxing.
Speaker 3:Suspicious, opponent Suspicious. I like his content. Though I like his content though.
Speaker 1:No, he's cool, he's cool, he's a tank hater, though.
Speaker 3:He's a tank hater, Yo bro.
Speaker 1:Yo bro, yo bro. I thought I was the only one that noticed that.
Speaker 2:Yo, he's a tank hater.
Speaker 1:He came up in a New York boxing amateur scene. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:He's a fighter. Yeah, he was a fighter.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's, I always respected his shit, just because, it's different
Speaker 3:and then he's making a name for himself.
Speaker 1:But the Tank Hayden was beyond me, bro, he be hating heavy and I peeped it because you got to watch the way he big up Floyd fighters. You know what I'm saying. And then how he hate on Tank.
Speaker 3:He loves Shakur, though he loves Shakur.
Speaker 1:That's another thing. I think if he feel like anybody that's against Tank, he'd be going hard, for I peep that.
Speaker 2:So he's probably a big TO fan too. I like that guy. We're going to check it out.
Speaker 1:I don't recall him really going in with TO.
Speaker 3:I didn't ever even see the content with TO in it.
Speaker 2:Nah, I don't recall. He's got no suspicious opponents Right right.
Speaker 1:Well, he got his start, he got his notoriety coming on my platform, me and Zab platform Old.
Speaker 3:Calls.
Speaker 1:Manitoba.
Speaker 2:That's a fact, bro. He was out there when you guys were doing that.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, what it was. So, for the people that don't know, when the pandemic started, you know everybody was doing their podcast on Instagram and everything like that. So me and Zab, we had our situation going on, all cause mandatory, which we still up and running. You know what I'm saying. But he was one of the guys that he emerged on our platform. Nobody knew who he was and he was able to get somewhat of a following off of what we was doing. And that's when you know what I mean. Probably like last year he started doing his content, but before that he didn't have no content. And another thing I feel like he kind of got his groove off of my Mad Boxer situation.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. What was with the change? All right, we'll get back to this. Let's get a new intro going. Speaking of ducks, this man right here, david Flat Sparks, also known as the Mad Boxer, has been busy in 2024, ducked, absolutely nobody was involved in Jake Paul's camp for the Tyson and David Benavidez, who has a fight coming up. We're going to preview that fight. All right, that was my better intro, willie sorry, god damn.
Speaker 3:Coming at me New Year Willie, coming at me all day. You got to do like what's it called Shannon Sharp. He be fucking going down the whole list. I got to have sex with somebody and you got that's crazy.
Speaker 2:I'll do it, but it's going to be 30 seconds.
Speaker 1:Oh my Sheila, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:So let's get into that real quick about you, david. So Jake Paul right, right, jake Paul Right, you were in the camp. Yeah, you were with all of them. Who was in that camp? What was the sparring rotation? You were in the ring with him.
Speaker 1:I was in the ring with him every three days a week.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Sparring, yeah, for about over a month, probably close to two months. Okay, you know what I'm saying Every three days. And that's why I give him his credit, because I've been to a lot of training camps with a lot of world champions, olympians. You know what I'm saying. I've been to a lot of training camps. That's basically how I made my living, you're known too.
Speaker 2:So I met you. What two years ago now? Yeah, and right away. I met you when you were sparring Absolutely Native boxing. You were sparring and you could tell right off the bat this man is one of those old school like no, no, yeah, hitting the bag is cool, you got to get your cardio up.
Speaker 1:But sparring is sparring.
Speaker 2:Sparring is sparring right.
Speaker 1:I used to hate hitting the bag, bro. I love sparring, sparring, sparring, sparring. Yo bro, I'm a guy, I'll get up, I'll be out the gym for, for whatever reason for a month, you know what I mean and my first day back I'm sparring bro.
Speaker 2:I'm sparring with the big dog. When I saw you too, you were a little out of shape and you were just sparring and I'm like damn what?
Speaker 1:the fuck. I'm old school. We used to spar when we're in shape, you got that in-game speed. Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:That's not fast out to speed, but out inside the game. Yeah, yeah, you don't know how they be doing that. It's a fact.
Speaker 2:So that's just that. Your generation coming up the Brooklyn it's like Brooklyn Hard Knocks and you've been in Mayweather's gym back in the day. Facts, and the point I'm trying to make is for the listeners that don't know who you are or whatever right, this man is just like a spar war, Spar wars.
Speaker 3:Like fuck Star Wars, spar wars, and you need people like that. Yeah, yeah, you need fighters. You need fighters like that.
Speaker 2:Especially this new generation you need fighters like that and that's where I'm getting into the Jake Paul stuff, right, right. So if you could just speak without saying too much.
Speaker 1:Nah, I'm going to say too much bro.
Speaker 2:Nah, I'm going to say too much, bro. No, don't get it. Come on, come on, don't fuck up the money. Don't fuck up the money. Nah, nah, never, never, that's my guy, man, I mean shout out Jake Paul, his team, my man, jay Leon. Jay Leon. Yo, Jay Leon's best boxing move ever, right and I love Jay Leon I watched him come, he'll tell you that.
Speaker 1:And then Jake Paul was like, he'll tell you that Because even sidebar he was under See. A lot of people thought Jay Leon was signed to Floyd Mayweather but he wasn't. He wasn't signed to Mayweather Promotions, he was an Al Heyman fighter but Floyd took him under the wing, you know what I mean With their Michigan thing.
Speaker 1:So he took him under the wing and Jay Leon was killing it back in them days. But he was underappreciated, bro, underappreciated, undervalued. Yo. They threw him a lot of tough fighters too. Yes, bro, he was thrown to the wolves he came up hard, but his boxing knowledge is crazy, coming up in a crunk era with Emmanuel Stewart and all of those guys, so that's the reason why he's able to put so much knowledge into Jake Paul.
Speaker 2:Let's backtrack a little bit. How does one get into camp with Jake Paul? Was it because of your relationship with Jay Leon?
Speaker 1:I mean, yes, that plays a huge factor, but also I put the work in, bro. I put that work in. That's how I've been at camps with bro you. You know I get the name of all the fighters out of here caleb plant.
Speaker 2:So we're gonna, we're gonna yeah, so we're gonna preview benavidez, we're gonna go through that. We got a big fight coming up. We're gonna talk. We want your insight. Insight on that, absolutely, but like specifically with jake paul, right, like so what? What happens? You? You get the call from jay leon. Yeah, he's like, hey, he's looking for sparring partners. How does that work?
Speaker 1:he just hits you up right, well, well, that's a guy. Jay leon is my god and I'm saying he, uh, I gotta. I always had a great relationship with him and I'm saying, from when? From when? Well, coming up, coming up in the images, you know he was doing this thing out in Michigan, he was doing the nationals and all of that. My outcome was a little slower than his, but we just knew the same people. So when I got to Mayweather Gym 2016, we built a rapport with each other and I'm saying so anytime he was sparring or whatever he would hit me, we would spar. Or when the situation with Jake Paul came, he hit me. Rob Markman.
Speaker 2:Jr.
Speaker 1:He's like hey, rob Markman Jr, he hit me Yo. What's up, bro, I could use you Da, da da, I'm like I'm thinking he capping.
Speaker 2:Rob Markman Jr. Yeah, rob Markman, saw him. I'm following him. One day he's like in Brooklyn, yeah, the next day he's in like Puerto Rico running with his nice beach.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's crazy. I was like yo. What the fuck? How?
Speaker 3:far you get just being reliable. Yeah, yes, bro, word Just be reliable, so everything comes full circle, and I always say that.
Speaker 2:But like spar wars, like this guy's known to spar, all right. So now, now you fly over there, you get there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, biggest fight jake paul's life, mike tyson's right well, well, let's, let's let's not downplay the fact that already, stepping into getting this phone call, I'm knowing this is the biggest fight in history.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just due to numbers jake paul's yeah, no numbers wise due to Jake Paul's notoriety and Mike Tyson forget it. So I already knew how huge of a fight this would be, how important this training camp was. I had to come in and give my 100%, but this is something and I just mentioned this to my man, justin Biggs, on Biggs vs Biggs podcast right.
Speaker 2:Also real quick, if you haven't seen, go look up that podcast. Shout them out again, if you could Biggs vs Biggs, because not only is this man like a Spar War rep, this dude is a damn good freestyle battle rapper is a damn good freestyle battle rapper.
Speaker 1:I like the chop bro. I did the rap-ups. I did the 2024 boxing rap-up where I talked about Nami and all the fights from Where's that content at I?
Speaker 2:reposted that I didn't get to see that shit. We'll stay focused.
Speaker 1:Don't want to beat yourself.
Speaker 2:Old school fucking lunch table.
Speaker 3:Shit, yo, that's fire, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:So, jake Paul, what you were saying, you get it.
Speaker 3:So we kept the year with the boxing shit.
Speaker 2:Shut up. My bad, my bad bro.
Speaker 1:Let me fan out for a little bit. It's my fault Dang, so boom, I get there right. I'm like all right Now. I'm like all right Now. I'm saying you know, they roll out the red carpet.
Speaker 3:Who was in that camp?
Speaker 1:Can you say who was in that? It was me. It was me.
Speaker 3:Let the man talk. Man, what the fuck you talking about? You cut him off like 500 times already.
Speaker 1:It was me, the Spartan Partners, was me, my man Mack Truck, from Georgia From Georgia, yeah, mack Truck is busy and my other man from Florida. Now I'm saying All pros right, all pros bro.
Speaker 2:All pros.
Speaker 1:He fought. What's my man name from out here in Long Island?
Speaker 3:Who that had the light heavyweight. Joe Smith, joe Smith, he fought. Joe Smith, okay, he got like 20-something. Joe Smith, joe Smith, he fought.
Speaker 1:Joe Smith. Okay, he got like 20-something. He got a great record. I forget my boy's name. I love it. Yeah, if you look it up on Boxer, yeah, it'll come up. So, boom, I'm the first one to get here. You know what I'm saying, so you know I come around. I'm used to this stuff.
Speaker 2:I saw that too yo. He was in the gym alone. I'm like damn he alone in the gym.
Speaker 1:It's awesome, yeah, so I got my little story post you know what I'm saying, where I record everything. When I came in first, you know what I'm saying. So my first day sparring with Jake Paul, let me tell y'all this.
Speaker 3:Now, this is what we really want to hear.
Speaker 1:We really want to hear because I still don't believe it.
Speaker 3:Yo bro, I'm going to give you some shit right now. All right, let's go. Let's go, let him talk, willie, what are you talking about? You cut him off like five times. You talking about me when.
Speaker 1:I say something, you're kidding. I'm kidding, so boom, it's a situation where I get busy, bro, I know what I do. But I'm like, damn, son, he's paying me so good, I don't want to go too crazy. We heard that too. Yeah, that's one thing about Jake Paul. He take care of his team, he take care of his farm partner. I'm talking about he do everything, right, bro, you know what I'm saying. So he taking care of his farm partner. I'm talking about he do everything, right, bro, you know what I'm saying. So he taking care of me, bro. I'm like I don't want to go too crazy and get kicked out of camp. You know what I'm saying. But then again I'm like, damn, I don't want to go too light, because I seen it was a fight that I had an altercation with that. They got video up of Jake Paul whooping his ass.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying, so yeah, they got a video, and that's exactly what you don't want to do. I don't want to do that, bro. That sparks.
Speaker 1:Mind you, mind you. They record all of this. Anything that happens to Jake Paul Kemp is on camera, bro, so there's no hiding or ducking nothing, bro, I can imagine, you know what I'm saying Facts.
Speaker 1:Imagine, you know what I'm saying. Facts. So my first sparring session, right, I'm trying to be in between going crazy and not going. You know what I mean. Yeah, but he caught me. He caught me, son. Hey, yo, what was it? What did he catch you with, bro, bro, it was a right hand. Yeah, it was a right hand because that's his best hand too. He caught me with the. You know what I mean. It caught me and I keep it real. I'm a transparent guy, bro. He caught me and that's how I know he cracking, jake Paul cracking, because when he caught me, guess what happened? Poop, I caught a little shiner, bro, you know what I'm saying. Now you're a little tight, yo, bro, and I'm so hurt because it's like yo, I can't let nobody see this. But then it's a badge of honor because it's Jake Paul. You know what I'm saying. This is an internet sensation, but at the same time, I'm me. I'm a sensation within itself.
Speaker 2:In a sense it's like a boss, like, yeah, bro, like, like you know, I'm saying like is it you stuck in between the two, do I? Do I let the world know this. That's why this is just coming out because that sucks.
Speaker 1:Yo, bro, do I let the world know this no one knows, bro, this is only a second time I mentioned this, bro, but he gave jake paul, gave me a shiner, bro, boom, right on the eye, bro, like this Did he stick his tongue out Like this Nah, nah, nah, he ain't know, he ain't know. I got a mean poker face, bro. By the way, I could be hurt in a fight or hurt in sparring, and you'll never know, bro.
Speaker 3:Now what'd you do?
Speaker 1:after that, so boom, so boom. Now, after he catch me with the boom, I'm like yo, you know what. I'm being a little too light, know what I mean? I got to turn up a little, so from there my sparring went up bro.
Speaker 2:It went up from there Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:By the way, he was getting great work from all the sparring partners that was there. I'm speaking for myself when I say I gave him work, bro. I gave Jake Paul work, but he's no ho, Jake Paul's no ho, bro. He was there every step of the way. You know what I'm saying, so you know I got to give him his credit. A lot of guys want to give Jake Paul his credit bro.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, somebody really is here to vouch for credit, bro. You know what I mean. Somebody really is here to vouch for Like we know him, it's real.
Speaker 3:Like we know, he's a content creator.
Speaker 2:So we don't know for real if he's really fucking these niggas up.
Speaker 1:Yo, well, put it like this right he got a great team around him. They give him 100%, of course he can afford it. That was my next words, bro. Having the money he has, he's able to get it's the truth he's able to get the proper attention from the trainers that's needed for him to grow. So he's getting better and better every time out. He's learning on the job, bro.
Speaker 3:He's cool too, right Learning on the job. Like Kuka Bakaya. You heard Kuka Bakaya. Yeah, bro, he's cool too right Learning on the job. Like Cooker with Kaya. You heard Cooker with Kaya.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, we got to put you on the.
Speaker 3:Cooker with Kaya bro. Yeah, she learning on the job.
Speaker 1:All she do is go to.
Speaker 3:Potatoes.
Speaker 2:Right, right, but she getting nice.
Speaker 3:She learning on the job.
Speaker 2:I don't know what they are talking about.
Speaker 1:We going to put you on bro, but talking about, we're gonna put you on bro, but? But that's the thing with jake. A lot of guys think like I'll be boosting his stats. But I'm not. He's getting better every day, bro, because he has the right team around him that gives him the right attention. He has the money to to, you know to to help him get better in every way. He's getting he's getting the best rest, he's getting the best massages. He's getting the best treatments. He's getting the best sparring. He's getting the best rest. He's getting the best massages. He's getting the best treatments. He's getting the best sparring. He's getting the best training, the best pad work, the best. Oh, oh, by the way. By the way, he's a workhorse, bro, by the way. That's a huge factor. The boy works hard, bro. I'm talking about he's out running because he got a whole camp. It's not only heavyweights, it's not only cruiserweights, he also got smaller guys. He's out running everybody. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:And then this one of the tricks that threw me off We'll go. We do track work, I think, twice a week. So we'll hit the track. Shout out to Coach Larry Wade. We hit the track with Coach Larry Wade. We, the track, shout to coach larry wade. We hit the track with coach larry wade. We go crazy on the track. Crazy, you know. They guys doing all type of intervals and all type of sprints and stops and jumps and shadow boxing, back-to-back crazy workouts, and then we spar the next day so you can't really recover. You get it, you get a good rest, recover and we back to the gym 12 o'clock the next day. You know what I'm saying. So you don't really get time like that for your wounds to heal. You know what I'm saying. So it's hard work, bro, hard work.
Speaker 2:So what was the? It was you, it was Mack Truck from.
Speaker 3:Georgia Mack Truck yep.
Speaker 2:And then here look, I got Box Rec open. Who?
Speaker 1:is the third guy, jesse Harden. All right, nope, nope.
Speaker 2:Steve.
Speaker 1:Okay, steve, yep, yep, okay. What's his record?
Speaker 2:I remember him, bro, 21 and 3. Yep, that's my guy right there, steve Gifford, Steve Gifford.
Speaker 1:That's my guy, get Steve.
Speaker 2:Gifford, that's my guy. Get busy, get busy, bro. So yo he is doing, jake Paul doing the rest. Yes, bro, he's doing it.
Speaker 3:That's why I'm like I can't say officially if it's fake or not. I'm like yo, we need to know.
Speaker 1:We need to know for a fact and look in his defense also. You got to think right, because a lot of people be like yo well, he need to fight Canelo or he need to fight Better Beer or people. I'm like yo listen, bro. He had no amateur career, bro, he's learning on the job. Even the MMA fighters he's beaten. They have more fight experience than him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what was really good. I'm like there's no way these guys they fought, they fought. They know how to fight Willie. How will he get knocked out? That's what I'm trying to say he took a punch. You take a punch with a glove.
Speaker 1:Right, right, the smaller Six ounces. Is it Six? I think Yo he's getting hit. I think it might be four actually.
Speaker 3:It might be four.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he is definitely cracking. He's learning on his job, bro. The guys that he fought they have way more experience than him. He didn't grow up in no gym. He don't come from a fighting family. He's just learning this, bro. So he's fighting at the right pace bro.
Speaker 2:So was there ever a time where you were like were you turned up?
Speaker 1:I mean I do this shit, I do this, I mean I do this like sparring shit with top, top, top level guys bro.
Speaker 3:I've been doing it my whole life. You know how to control yourself.
Speaker 1:I know how to control myself, bro, but the thing that I learned with him that I probably never learned in my life before, until sparring him, was when I control myself, I can't be too light Cause underestimating. Put it like this I've never underestimated nobody. Till Jake Paul, my entire career I've never underestimated nobody. He's the first person that I somewhat underestimated, and and he, he, he blacked my eye. He blacked my shit.
Speaker 3:But you was. But you was kind of like In a pickle Cause it's like you was like, oh, this guy's paid me well, like I don't wanna go crazy. I'm trying to control myself, but I'm trying to give him work.
Speaker 2:At the same time, I'm trying to stay here.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying Facts, but you was like Going through like a whole road, because that's the key.
Speaker 1:You gotta give him work, bro. You can't just let, you can't be a punching bag, you gotta give him work. That's why he had the credible guys like my man, steve Gifford my man, matt Truck, who's the dude he knocked down? Now boom, that's a whole nother.
Speaker 3:That's a whole nother story like boom. Now I'm saying that's over you. Now, yeah, I gotta get all my shit down.
Speaker 1:now I'm saying I brought that up, yeah, because now y'all got to understand. So I'm watching that and I'm like oh shit, please don't be Spock.
Speaker 1:Spock's? No, I'm like, please don't be him Spock's. No, bro, Never. I just see, hey, gear, this dude fall Yo bro. All these guys, I've been caught. I just I mean, I know how to take a punch, bro. Now I'm saying but at the end of the day, bro, I peep, I peep the situation that now I'm saying that that they did on their behalf too, and it may. It kind of makes sense. I was giving Jake Paul that work, so not saying I was fucking him up. Nah, I would never go to somebody's training camp and fuck them up, bro. I'm not there to hurt them, I'm there to help them get ready. It's like a scrimmage. You know what I'm saying Every day is practice.
Speaker 2:It's a rough practice. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Right, it's shirt versus skin. You know what I'm saying Because, like sp, Because, sparring-wise. I sparred and tried to get somebody ready, but you can't discourage them. No, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, yeah, you're going to get kicked out. I'm going to get kicked out. It was just amateur play, no, but a lot of guys get kicked out of camp like that, because they try to go too far.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying getting paid like how he was paying. You're getting fired, bro, and you gonna go home tight bro. Like yo, damn bro, you start going to your calculator adding up all the money you could have made. Now I'm saying you like damn bro, but what happened was speaking of the guy that he dropped on in the video. It was like I was giving him work but he couldn't really get off like that. You know, I'm saying like me, if for anybody, for anybody that don't know my style, you could Google me, youtube, all of that, I'm very defensive, I'm a slick fighter.
Speaker 2:I was going to say your style for training for Tyson was the perfect style to bring in.
Speaker 1:It's not necessarily a peekaboo, but you do a lot of head movement, a lot of head movement, bro. You do a lot of head movement, a lot of head movement, bro. And one thing I adapted while being his sparring partner I adapted. And one thing I adapted was I was using Tyson's head movement more.
Speaker 2:Which is good. He needs it.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, it's perfect. So at one point in time I end up coming back home and they bought somebody else that is easier to hit. You know what I'm saying that?
Speaker 2:was that guy. There's the story of the guy getting knocked down.
Speaker 1:Because at one point I was looking for the videos because I know they record everything. So I'm like damn son. I wonder what videos they got of me up there. I'm seeing little videos of clips of him and mac truck and I'm seeing clips of him with this other guy. So I'm like damn son. I wonder they try to pick out a little point where I got caught up, but of course there's no videos of me, because you know my style and you admit it.
Speaker 2:You admit it, you're not roasting him. No, he caught you in the beginning, he caught me, bro.
Speaker 1:He gave me a black.
Speaker 2:But you gave it back to him too.
Speaker 1:Of course that's my job. I got paid for that. You know, what I'm saying. So it was. You know I had to do my thing, but there's no videos, and that's not just with Jake Paul, that's with anybody. You will never see no videos on YouTube of somebody whooping my ass and that's not saying I whooped everybody's ass, but it's either even or I get the best of them Sometimes somebody get the best of me.
Speaker 2:It happens, yeah, it's fun yeah.
Speaker 1:But the ones that get the best of me. It's not a highlight film. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's just me.
Speaker 3:So was you looking just like oh, I can you know what I'm?
Speaker 2:saying you can get like yo, I, it actually helps you like yo. Look I'm smart, jake paul type shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's probably what you was looking for like too, because like you, you know, as you is the business, like yourself are you a business, you for fact so you gotta go and, you know, find some way to get your name out there too you know, what I'm saying like yo you I don't think you was looking for like you know. You know for a fact he didn't hurt you you know he probably nah.
Speaker 2:So let me ask you this then so you've been in his camp, Jake Paul's, absolutely, and we got a fight coming up that we're going to preview. We're going to get into that. David Benavidez, yeah, who gave you better work? Oh, come on, bro.
Speaker 1:Come on bro. Jake Paul's a Jake Paul's a is aidez is a savage bro. That kid is a savage bro and I got a story about him when I first got in the ring with him. Bro, let's hear it. So me, and all right. So boom, boom.
Speaker 2:I like that boom sound Every time you say boom.
Speaker 1:So the thing with me all right. So boxing for the people that don't know, it's kind of like it's a huge community but it's kind of small because you're going to hear about another person. So dudes kind of knew about me. You know what I'm saying and then you know my demeanor and David on top of that, I'm sure he told his team and all of that. You know what I mean that I was coming to give him work and it was going to be good work and all of that. Now, I mean that I was coming to give him work and it was going to be good work and all of that. So our first time sparring, I'm, I can't. It wasn't no underestimate of David Benavidez, yeah, you know who he is.
Speaker 2:I'm not stupid. It's not smoking marriage, it ain't that.
Speaker 3:Wait, what's his wait? How far along in his career he was so this?
Speaker 1:was. I think two fights ago. It was when he was fighting.
Speaker 3:Oh, so he was David for real. He was him, he was David for real he was he. All right, he was David for real. He was Miami David. He was training for.
Speaker 2:What's his name? The dude.
Speaker 1:everyone he was training for Boo Boo.
Speaker 2:Yeah, on draft, he was training for Boo Boo. Yeah, he was training for Andre.
Speaker 1:Yeah, demetrius Andre, that's a fact, bro. Now I'm saying so. He gave me the call. Yo what's up, bro? I need sparring. Yo pull up he in Seattle at this time. This was before he went to Miami, okay, before.
Speaker 3:Miami.
Speaker 1:Before Miami, now I, so he gave me the call. He's like yo, bro, I'm going to fly you out here. You know what I mean. I'm going to take care of you, da-da-da-da, all right, boom, I done. Did this a million times with different fighters. That's fire, though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's even fire.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's facts, bro, and I'm talking about yo.
Speaker 2:David, my skill, like I, may not be at the top level.
Speaker 1:No by no means but the guys at the top level, they love and respect you.
Speaker 3:Yes, bro, that's the main thing. Yes, bro, especially as a man, respect is important.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, bro. And I tell people all the time boxing took me all over the world, bro, know what I'm saying. Like it took me all over the world bro, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like it took me all over the world. It took care of me. You're fucking. One day you're in Brooklyn, yeah. Next day I'm out. Next day you're in Puerto Rico and I'm like what? The?
Speaker 3:fuck, you never know when you get that call?
Speaker 1:I might get that call. You might be the Gypsy King, right, you never moving. And my man, jay Leon, just gave me a call not too long ago like yo, I hope you ready now. I'm saying we now me, so I might be going again. But that's neither here nor there. But with David he, he flew me out to Seattle, put me in a fire, fire hotel, bro, over the, over the. You know I still got my videos on my phone because the the it's beautiful out there. I never been out there. I've been all over the world, but I never been to Seattle. Yeah, so yo, it's beautiful out there. I never been out there. I've been all over the world, but I never been to Seattle. Yeah, I know. So, yo, it's beautiful, bro, what the heck is in Seattle, Bro.
Speaker 2:bro, it's beautiful.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like Cali a little bit, it is bro, it is, it's out there, it's not far from Cali, so it's a beautiful place. He put me in, overlooking the water. So I'm hyped. I'm like, yeah, this is about to be. You know what I mean. It's about to be fun. Now let's get to the part when we get to the gym. You know what I'm saying, because this is where it gets nasty.
Speaker 1:So David is such a soft-spoken, such a good dude, you would never know he changes into a different animal when he gets in that ring, bro, you know what I'm saying. So, whatever, we get ready, boom, boom, boom. So long story short, we start sparring. I mean boom, we going, boom. You know, I do me, bro, I'm nice, I'm nice, bro, you know what I'm saying. Like they, james Toney, because I'm on the inside slick rolling.
Speaker 1:Body, body, body, yeah you know slick, I'm real slick. You know what I mean Touch, touch, go to the up top. You know what I'm saying Rolling punches, slipping shoulder, roll, stuff like that. So at one point in time, bro, I'm like, all right, I see, because David throw a lot of punches, bro, you know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying so I'm doing my thing. He punched combos like crazy, bro.
Speaker 1:Bro, I'm doing my thing, he letting the flurries go, but you know, for the most part I'm slipping. He catching me with some joints, boom, we going back and forth. You know what I'm saying. At one point, bro, I seized a punch. Bro, it's a right hand and it's coming like I just couldn't get out of the way of this punch bro, you saw it coming though.
Speaker 1:Bro, I looked at it like slow motion, like I'm watching it, bro, and I'm like yo ain't no way. This fucking punch about to hit me, bro. All I know that shit hit me right on the nose, poof, and if you ever been hit on the nose.
Speaker 2:you know your eyes get teary you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So again I got the mean poker face, so I'm trying not to show it, but my eyes is getting blurry.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:David, he's such a good dude, he like yo you, okay, he stop in the middle of the sparring like yo you. Good bro, that's good.
Speaker 1:I'm like, yeah, come on, let's keep going. You know he caught me with. And then guess what, bro, that fight when he fought Boo Boo, he caught him with the same punch, bro. It was like an overhand, right, but it was like you misjudged David's distance. That's that next tier. Yo, bro, you think that he's one place like he's too far to catch you with the shot. But somehow the shot catches you, bro. And when he caught me with that shot, I said's the same punch. He caught, uh uh, andre with now I mean andre with. I say yo, david is, but we have more sparring sessions after that and and, um, I also spar with his brother too uh, jose.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now I mean great dog too.
Speaker 1:He's a great fighter, bro and yo. This is another, another quick story, right. So with me and david sp, this is one of the things. If anybody know me, it's like Puma said when the bell ring for a break, I don't break.
Speaker 2:I don't stop. Yeah, he don't, it's funny.
Speaker 1:So when me and David was doing it, when the bell ring, I'm still on, david. You know, when dudes go to their corner and get their water, I'm still on his back.
Speaker 2:He told me, that's how.
Speaker 1:I do. I do that with everybody, world champions, everybody. So David told me, when you spar with my brother, don't do that, because he's gonna get mad and my pride, my pride I'm not really doing it. But then I thought about it, because he's going to get mad bro, like he's going to take it. And my pride, my pride, like yo, what, what, I'm down really doing it.
Speaker 2:You know what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying. But then I thought about it, I said oh, you know what man I'm here on his dime. He taking care of me. He paying me. You know what I mean. He treating me right. I said I'm so. Was this before or after the right hand? This was after because the right hand was our first sparring session that shit shook me that shit.
Speaker 1:Shook me boy like oh shit, and I don't get hit. I don't get hit often, bro, but when, when I get hit, I'm able to man up and say it. That guy from from from Jake Paul, punched to the nose from.
Speaker 2:Benavidez, bro, bro, and it's boxing. You're going to get hit, bro, you can spar with nobody right? I've sparred millions of times Up and comers. Everyone gets hit. That puncher's chance shit is a real thing, don't matter how good you are.
Speaker 1:Bro, I've been there for Floyd Mayweather training camps and camp with him, not as his sparring partner, but I've been in the gym with him while he was in camp. Floyd gets hit, don't matter who you tank. I've been in there for his training camps he gets hit.
Speaker 2:I got stories about them guys too. Man, whenever y'all ready, we'll go. We might have to take a break and come back.
Speaker 1:I'm serious.
Speaker 2:This could be the first podcast where we took a break and came back. I can let you two talk. I'm going to have to hop over the bar get another drink. Let's do it. We got all night.
Speaker 3:You ain't sleeping before work. Shit, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Four hours, so sticking with Benavidez, though, because we would chop it up all night. Like I said, we got to preview the fight a little bit, all right, so he's got a big fight coming up. Speaking of ducks, it's like we started this convo with Morel, according to a lot of experts quote unquote experts. They say Morel is a live, live, live bet in this fight and they are all saying that he could do it Now, based on his last fight. I disagree, and he is way too green in my opinion. He's only got 10 fights. A lot of people don't know that. They're talking to this Morel guy like he's fought everybody and David Benavidez's last fight right, his last fight the nail Gvodzic is better than anybody at this point in his career Anybody.
Speaker 3:Anybody on Morel's list?
Speaker 2:Anybody on Morel's list?
Speaker 3:At that age too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at that age, eastern European style, ukrainians are taking over fucking boxing. For fuck's sake, he is better than anybody on Morel's list. That being said, puncher's chance yes. Is Benavidez flawed at times? Footwork-wise, from my observation? Yes, but the flurries and you can speak for this the eight-punch combos when you get hit with that right hand. Morel's last fight was versus somebody. I'm going to name them real quick. I'm going to name Morel's last five Was versus somebody. I'm gonna name him real quick. I'm gonna name Morel's Last five opponents. Okay, hear me out and let me know. If you know them. Flats, you might know them. I know for sure Willie can be like who the fuck are they?
Speaker 3:I'm learning on the job.
Speaker 2:Cause I knew, I knew, I knew one, I knew one name, I knew one name. So his last fight I'm probably going to say it wrong Radiv Roj, or whatever. Yeah, hot Rod, right. Yeah, kalajic, senna, abjeko, yamaguchi, tamaguchi, falco, nah, yamaguchi, falco. Eidos, yerba Zanuli, calvin Henderson was the only name I knew. He fought. Christian Yamaguchi. Yeah, come on, bro, he fought the Tamaguchi thing, remember those? Nah, I'm hating on the names. Again, I'm not trying to be too disrespectful.
Speaker 3:It is what it is, bro.
Speaker 2:I'm bad with names, but have you heard of any of those guys?
Speaker 1:I heard of Hot.
Speaker 2:Rod, yeah, and I heard of Calvin Henderson, but I never. He was nothing. So that's his last five opponents, right and again. David Benavidez moved up in weight for his first fight to fight Gvodzic, who was arguably at a time for certain people's opinion he had great movement too. He was arguably pound for pound in certain people's opinions right?
Speaker 2:Yes, he was, arguably. But whatever, david Benavidez moved up in weight and took that fight. Yes, he was older, whatever, but that name alone, gvodzic, and the Gvodzic David Benavidez fought, is head and shoulders above all of his last five opponents.
Speaker 3:David had hurt hands. This fight right.
Speaker 2:That's what they say, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Facts.
Speaker 1:That's true Facts. So here's a fun fact about that I was in his training camp for that fight too.
Speaker 2:That's when he was training at the box office, the.
Speaker 3:Miami gym yeah.
Speaker 1:In Miami, miami.
Speaker 3:That's that bike. That's why I saw David on the Fresh and Fit podcast. I watched that shit all the time. Yeah, Shut up bitches, Hold on.
Speaker 2:Really why are you watching another podcast? Huh, why are you watching another podcast?
Speaker 3:This is a whole different thing, I'm just joking. A whole different podcast. Shout out to them dudes in Mateo you know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:The box art gym, the BOXR, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So they got a great facility out there. I was out there training with Benavidez at that time as well, so I watched him prepare for that fight. You know what I'm saying. He actually I also was at the fight front and center. He was hurt for that fight, you know what I'm saying, and he thought about calling it off and there's no argument.
Speaker 2:He won Like that's the point.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he won.
Speaker 2:And Kovacic yo. For his age, he beats the fuck out of all those last five opponents on him, bro.
Speaker 1:Think about it, that guy comes from the school of Lomachenko. Yeah, like bro, game school is Lomachenko, bro, he was in shape In shape, bro.
Speaker 2:He came in there. I'm like yo.
Speaker 1:Bro ripped. He beats eight out of the top ten in light heavyweight.
Speaker 2:bro, yeah, light heavyweight.
Speaker 1:Besides probably B-Vol and Bitter Beef, who else at 75?
Speaker 2:beats him right now, bro. I don't know if he beats him Like I said, because you know Punching wise, he's older or whatever, but he definitely gives a run For everybody's money. So, people.
Speaker 1:Who would beat him at 75?
Speaker 2:Besides those we named him before, I gotta go with my guy. We can't, we can't write him Joe Smith Jr. He gonna knock him out, that's just my.
Speaker 3:Again, I'm very biased. I don't think so. The movement is crazy, the movement is crazy.
Speaker 2:You're right, that version.
Speaker 1:That version.
Speaker 3:But if Joe Smith is his power.
Speaker 2:You're right, I got to go with you. You're right, I heard though, too, through the grapevine Joe Smith's coming back.
Speaker 3:I hope so. He's got a big fight coming back.
Speaker 1:We need him out here. He's coming back.
Speaker 3:Sorry, I'm being biased, off topic fight coming back. We need him out here, he coming back. Sorry I'm being off topic. Nah, that'd be a good look. You brought him up. He's on my mind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the point I'm making though, 175,. As you know, you dabble with that weight, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, 175, they punch, they crack, bro.
Speaker 2:They punch, they crack, so that movement's cool and Gvasik is older, but for Benavidez, moving up, usually you take a tune-up, you take okay, let me feel this weight. Benavidez went right in with him.
Speaker 1:Right in with the wolves. He was coming off two or three wins. Yep, Right in with the wolves man. So, like I said, I was there for that fight.
Speaker 2:He was hurt he was hurt, bro.
Speaker 1:He said his hands, I think he said his shoulder. I mean, he had a lot of injuries which, by the way, fighters normally have injuries coming off a training camp but he was hurt to a point where he was going to call off the fight. Yeah, you can't fuck with your hands. You can't bro.
Speaker 2:If you can't punch, what you could do you could make, you got a little click in your knee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like you know what I'm saying Like, if you can't punch, what could you do in a fight, bro? And he was able to thug it out and still win the fight using both hands From the beginning.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Bro from the top. You got to give him his credit for that, bro. So people were cooking him because he didn't Right, right.
Speaker 3:But look at the opponent, bro, that's what I'm saying he was the movement, the stamina at that age, the stamina of that boy, what?
Speaker 1:He's going to beat a lot of guys bro.
Speaker 2:Benavidez, for some reason, is easy to hate. For some reason he's easy, not by me, but a lot of critics. They don't like him and I don't know what it is. I don't know if it's he's too nonchalant.
Speaker 3:His family. They talk a lot. Maybe he's too much of a good dude afterwards he's too much of a good dude when you think about it.
Speaker 1:For a boxer. He's so cool and so, but I'm going to keep it real.
Speaker 3:And then when they call out Canelo all the time, they be mad at that.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you what I observe, because I just was in training camp in Vegas the end of the year and you know, out there it's a big Mexican community. A lot of the Mexicans out there don't like Benavidez bro, but I said it's because of Canelo, bro, you know what I'm saying. They like yo, Canelo will smash him. I'm like yo, listen bro, I know this shit, bro, and my style is kind of similar to Canelo. You know what I'm saying. As far as being an inside, fighter and rolling.
Speaker 1:Head movement, rolling punches. I think at this point in his career Canelo can't beat Benavidez bro Nah.
Speaker 3:I think, and he knows that it's the volume. He knows that All you got to do is look at what he wants. Canelo's a one punch, a load up. All that now, right, right, and when he's on the back if he don't get control, like when he's.
Speaker 2:Look at my guy, triple G, right yeah, his toughest fights when he's on the back foot, like that. Facts and even better, not better, bivel.
Speaker 1:When he was on the back foot, like that he could not get control 100%.
Speaker 2:But they say yo Benavidez wins this fight, right, I think next and David's going to be on the front foot. Next yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:Next is Bivel, or that's what we want to see or Viterbi that's what we want to see.
Speaker 3:He can't look past this guy. But this guy, I don't think somebody's going to have to box David, Because you're going to have to have footwork.
Speaker 2:So Caleb Plant was doing good. He let his tank out. You got to be able to box. I think you got to be a slick fighter. In the beginning, benavidez was probably like what the fuck.
Speaker 1:Well, I asked him about that because Plant is another guy that I spar with, that I had spar sessions with in Vegas this man you've been in the ring with like Everybody, bro, when you were doing it for so long.
Speaker 1:Bro, you know what I'm saying, I've been in with everybody. So I knew Caleb Plant was going to give Benavidez problems in the beginning of the fight. So I asked him, bro, I said, I said I say yo, what made you, what gave you the confidence that you was going to be able to catch up with Clint, knowing how slick he is? He was like yo. Well, I just knew a lot. He's like yo. A lot of people sleep on my, my, my endurance and my speed. Now I'm saying it makes perfect sense, because when you look at David on on on video, it's like he looked pretty normal until you really analyze it and you're like yo. First of all, his hand speed is out of this world. I know y'all seen the highlights with Porky Medina, bro. He was hitting him with like fucking ten punch combos at a time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and his head, just like I call that the sugar rate.
Speaker 1:That's the shoe shine. I'm saying that sugar bae, that's the shoe shine. I'm saying that boy hands work. And I tell people all the time his defense is very elusive. Bro Benavidez is very elusive If you sleep on him thinking because Morel is saying like he's like Frankenstein and he's like a zombie. And okay, go in there thinking that that man is not so agile and swift.
Speaker 2:They're saying morella apparently has a shitload of amateur fights. He does, and they're saying that he does. From what I saw when I when I previewed it was he's more of like, like, more of a slick box. I don't want to say slick boxer, he's more of a conventional boxer, like he's got that boxer stance more conventional, as benavidez is not. But there is levels, there's tiers, as I always say, and Benavidez's resume is fucking 20 levels above this guy Morel.
Speaker 3:But look, I got it up right here. He's two years older than him.
Speaker 2:The opening odds, almost have it. Even man, they got David.
Speaker 3:Benavidez minus 170.
Speaker 1:That's good for us, but we bet on David Crazy because I'm definitely betting on David.
Speaker 2:He's minus 170, so he's a favorite, benavidez, but that's way too close for me. I'm a resume guy bro, me too I'm a huge resume guy. Thank you, huge resume guy.
Speaker 1:When it comes to two fighters fighting bro, I'm mainly basing on resume. Two fighters fighting bro are mainly basing on resume bro. That's my main thing, yeah, because that's what matters.
Speaker 2:That's what matters, bro.
Speaker 1:If you never fought this type of fighter, or you never been in a ring with this type of fighter, you don't know how you're going to do with them Now, david. On the other hand, he could say he fought slick boxers, southpaws, boo Boo and Andrade. You know what? I'm saying Nobody wanted to fight Boo Boo, nobody wanted to fight him. David Benavidez's resume is so slept on, bro.
Speaker 2:David Lemieux Come on, bro, Come on destroyed him.
Speaker 1:Bro, jay Leon Love, that's my bro, you know what I mean. And I tell Benavidez, this is how I Because, look, let me tell you, let me tell you another quick story, right, yeah, so when I was in amateurs I won the Golden Gloves in Arizona. So to get to the nationals we had to fight in Phoenix. So I was fighting at a Tucson. So when I got there they was talking about this Benavidez, benavidez, you know what I'm saying. David, no, no, it wasn't David, it was his brother. But the name was just ringing bells. You know what I'm saying. So I knew about the name.
Speaker 1:Then my introduction to who he really was. He beat two of my guys who Early in his career Phillip Benson Jackson, who won the Golden Glo, I think, twice in new york, okay, from brooklyn. Now I'm saying my guy, he beat mama's boy. Okay, then it's dougland, who's my bro, that's my brother. We love him too. That's right, that's, that's, that's the, that's the guy. Now I'm saying so when, when Benavidez beat them, bro, I'm like yo, who is this guy? And where do I know this name from? You know what I'm saying. So then fast forward later on, because I started really following his career, he beat another guy who I sparred with. What's my man used to be signed with Mayweather Promotion. There's a lot.
Speaker 1:You got to look up Benavidez Boxrack. The brother right, jose, no, no, no, david, david, yep, look up, david, I'm trying to remember. He's like Russian. He's another guy and my story spawned when him was crazy.
Speaker 2:He fought him twice.
Speaker 1:He fought him twice. He fought him twice.
Speaker 2:And you say he was Russian. So he got a Russian name Gavriel Gavriel.
Speaker 1:Ronald Gavriel. He might not be Russian, but you know what I'm saying. I sparred with him in front of James Toney which was a crazy story In front of James Toney.
Speaker 2:In front of James Toney. This shit was legendary, bro.
Speaker 1:Close to Russia. Yo bro, I sparred with Ronald Gavriel in front of James Toney and beat the shit out of him Because I had gloves. So my sparring set that I still use to this day it says Flat aka James Toney. Oh, the purple. Yeah, no, no, it's blue and gold. Yeah, yeah, blue and gold. So when James Toney seen it, he like yo, why you got my name on your shit. I say, oh, they named me James Toney, I didn't make this up myself. He, like man, I want to see if this guy really you know what I mean. That's awesome. So they put me in there with his guy, ronald Gavre, 26 and 3, bro, I'm talking about James Toney was training him. Yo bro, I beat the shit out of him. Bro, straight James Toney style.
Speaker 2:He went the distance twice with Benavidez he did, and he knocked Benavidez down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3:Oh man.
Speaker 1:Hell of a fighter. I beat the shit out of him, bro. Now I'm saying in front of James Toney James Toney. James Toney was like yo, I ain't never seen nobody move like me. I ain't never seen nobody could do everything I could do, and James Toney been my guy ever since. Mind you, that's my favorite fighter ever.
Speaker 3:That was your favorite fighter ever. Ever, bro.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's crazy Ever and he got a chance to see me whoop Ronald Gabriel ass. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:But it is what it this? But his benavidez resume is crazy, bro, crazy crazy. You know, jay leon, yeah, like you said, my god. But and so you've been in camp with benavidez, you've been in there. How does, how does? What was his sparring rotation? Like who else was with you in that? So so, uh, we, we was working with mostly his camp, that's like my favorite question yeah, yeah, no, that's a hell of a question, because a lot of guys don't understand how sparring.
Speaker 1:Sparring, bro, makes you who you are, bro. I'm going to tell you straight up, bro, you know what I'm saying. If you sparring weak guys and you're just beating the shit out of them, you're not really.
Speaker 2:I hate sparring and I'm a bitch, but sparring is the fun part of boxing.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. But the higher the competition is, the better you're going to be. You know what I'm saying. So I watch fighters. I watched fighters when I was growing up spar nothing but bums and they ended up starting off good in their career.
Speaker 2:Once you get to that next level you need to bring in pros you got to bring in pros.
Speaker 1:You cannot spar bums, bro. I watched guys try to make a living doing that and they didn't go nowhere.
Speaker 2:The camps you were in with Benavidez who were some other names with you, if you can, remember.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to look them up for you. Let me see.
Speaker 2:Anybody. Very notable that we know he sparred. I know I'm putting you on the spot, Sorry, no, no no, it's all good.
Speaker 1:um, um, what's my man name got the brother that was at 168 caleb plan knocked him out. Oh, andre andre, andre durell, oh yeah, yeah, durell, brothers they're good, though they're good, good yeah they was both world champs. Yeah, yeah, he sparred andre durell um. That was one of the guys he sparred with. Who else?
Speaker 2:That ain't them. What the fuck is this? The Darryl brothers? No, that ain't them.
Speaker 1:Darryl, I think it's D-I-R.
Speaker 2:D-R-I-R. I know who you're talking about. That's the one they that's when. So last you remember you remember the? I've talked about this the last time we interviewed you, you caught him. You caught the Durrell brothers. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They owe you money. They owe you money, man. He owe me money, yeah.
Speaker 1:But it was his brother.
Speaker 2:It wasn't Anthony Durrell, andre, it was Andre. Yeah, andre Durrell, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Him, yeah him, him, yeah him, yep, yep, yep, and I heard, I just seen something where he said he was coming back, he was going to fight. He just said something where he said he was going to come back. I can't remember who. He said he was going to fight.
Speaker 2:He probably called out Jake Paul. Honestly, they all calling him out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, they all calling him out, but they had a little thing with Jay Leon too, because they all from Michigan. You know what I'm saying. His brother was hating.
Speaker 2:We got to have you back on. We got to get Jay Leon on here too.
Speaker 1:For sure His brother was hating on Jake Paul. Jay Leon was getting. He wasn't getting tight but he was like what you hating for? The kid is coming up he doing his thing and a lot of fighters that got like that got big, long records and been doing this for a while. They be hating bro because Jake Paul took the shortcut, bro.
Speaker 2:But you can't hate on him, bro, money talks, money talks, bro, money talks.
Speaker 1:I say, if you can't hate on him, bro. Money talks. I say if you can't beat him, join him. Learn and learn how to put that into your game.
Speaker 2:Whatever he's doing. Do you see and I don't want to harp on Jake Paul too much, he don't need any more, damn credit. You know what I mean, but do you see him ever fighting a ranked boxer Other than Fury's brother or whatever, a real ranked top 50.?
Speaker 1:I think a lot of people. I think he's working towards that. I heard something about Roy.
Speaker 2:Jones Bro. A lot of people criticize me. Is that true? Is that shit the Roy Jones movie?
Speaker 1:I heard something like that. I don't know if it's true.
Speaker 3:I don't know if that's true, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean he would get OG a fucking payday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's going to watch like Tyson did Nah he'd probably make half of that. So what Jake Paul did, which I spoke about, which was cool to me, I'm going to tell you he brought two different generations, Full fact. He had the fucking 15-year-olds and 20-year-olds.
Speaker 1:Even though I thought 20, we're getting old, 20-year-olds and under whatever they are. And then he had my dad.
Speaker 2:My dad was like yo we got to watch this fight. And it brought me back, because the first boxing match I ever watched was with my dad. It was.
Speaker 1:Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2:So here we are again, and then I see his ass and I'm like what the Yo I bought my.
Speaker 1:They was doing a press conference for the fight Tyson and Jake Paul before it happened and I brought my daughter to the Jacob Javis Center to see Jake Paul and everything and she was excited. My daughter's 14 years old bro.
Speaker 3:She was excited. She knows who Jake Paul is.
Speaker 1:She wasn't a guy like that for nobody else, Mayweather fucking Tyson. She wasn't a guy like that for nobody but Jake Paul, she was hype. I said, yo, this dude is really transcending the game, bro.
Speaker 2:He's bringing a whole different audience Real quick. I'm texting Magic Mike now, since we back on Titan.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, my guy Willie you better drink an energy drink.
Speaker 3:You're going to be up all night, my guy, I'm going to be up all night. Sorry, sorry, it's all good.
Speaker 2:It's all good. Got a lot of editing to do. Yo Flats got about him is. He's a fighter, he's been through it, but he respects real fans and he is a fan at heart too, so you're a boxing fan.
Speaker 1:Fighters is nothing without fans, bro.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying so okay, so he had Darrell in there and stuff. So yeah, I'm sorry, we're trying to stay. It's hard to stay on track. I just want to chop it out all night, but he had a lot of um in miami.
Speaker 1:It's a, it's a big like russian community really. Yeah, my god, timor, he wanted to uh everything out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, timor, his brother, I think, is um sultan ibrahimov. Oh, he fought shannon briggs back in the day, so he got. He got like a huge russian ukrainian um eastern european yeah, those guys yeah, so that. So most of the guys that are tough.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh no, they bro they they some tough motherfuckers right with bears and shit. Bro, yeah, right. Would you rather be in the woods with the?
Speaker 1:they fight bears and shit bro, them motherfuckers is tough and they disciplined bro. So I think a lot of their success come off their discipline.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so he be sparring with a lot of them out there in Miami.
Speaker 2:So they got the over-under right now 10 and a half minus 330 for Benavidez Crazy 10 and a half Crazy. The over. I'm going under at plus 230. I'm going knockout. Yeah, I think under 10.5,. Dude, I'm betting on a knockout. It could be close, I think around 8 to 10, though when Benavidez gets the field.
Speaker 1:I say 8 to 10. Yeah, yeah, I say 8 to 10.
Speaker 3:8 is always my round. I always bet on 8.
Speaker 2:It's not a parlay or a sparlay, but I think we could make a community bet right here man. I think under 10.5, at plus 230, dude, so you bet 100, you win 230. That's a great bet yeah that's decent. I'm going under 10.5. Benavidez versus Morel. I'll take that bet too. Yeah, I think I'm doing that.
Speaker 3:I don't think Morel got the defense enough. He's not going to be able to. I don't think he can be on his back foot either.
Speaker 2:So when I bet on boxing right, I'm big on what have you done for me lately Right and Benavidez did for me lately enough to be a very good game. Came there to win Gvodzic, you know what I mean. Like he came there to win and before that he stopped Buber. Andre. Everybody was avoiding him. Canelo didn't want to fight him.
Speaker 1:Charlo didn't want to fight him. Charlo ain't want to fight him.
Speaker 2:What has Morel done for me lately?
Speaker 3:He looked like shit in his last fight. Went the distance, went the distance.
Speaker 2:And that's the way it is. And I think Benavidez is a little. I know they like fake argue Like Benavidez don't really care, I could tell.
Speaker 1:But Morel is living off of his Amateur background, yeah, which at the pro level I don't got shit to.
Speaker 2:It's good, it's important.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I tell people all the time the amateur is great because it gets you used to fighting in front of crowds. That's what it's good for, in different styles. It's great for your nerves, but getting punched without headgear. You can't compare that to 20-plus pro fighters.
Speaker 2:And then Navidez is a different tier.
Speaker 1:He's a level up Different tier bro Animal Animal.
Speaker 3:There's a whole different style of fighting Bro amateurs. Animal bro Amateurs. That's just. It's a whole different style.
Speaker 1:It is, it is, it is so.
Speaker 3:I'm going to.
Speaker 2:I could do two things right now. I'm going to take a quick break. We can go one more hour because if we keep going we're going to be here another six.
Speaker 1:I got like 50, I got like 20, I got like 10 more stories.
Speaker 2:Okay, I had to cut it down. I got the guest room, bro, we good.
Speaker 1:All right, you got to let me tell my tank, my tank, I'm here for that one.
Speaker 3:What time you?
Speaker 1:got Shaddy.
Speaker 2:We're going to take the first ever break. Right, we're going to take the first break on the podcast. Stretch out a little bit and then we get right back into it. That cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2:But Plus 230. Morel Benavidez, I'm taking that A man that's been in the ring with him. Benavidez Took a shot from. Benavidez Took a shot to the nose Blondie. Been in the camp with him. That's the bet, willie, you putting in for it too, willie's been in the ring.
Speaker 3:Oh no, definitely, I'm definitely what.
Speaker 2:Also before the break happy birthday. We had fun, man, we had fun today. They left me out.
Speaker 3:They left me out.
Speaker 2:I was there in spirit. It was some family drama going on, so I'm surprised I got the invite.
Speaker 3:You know how, with the black families you say one thing is just enjoy it.
Speaker 2:They invited me to the fish fry, right, so I'm at the fish fry sitting there having a good time. And then at the end I was like, oh man, we're talking about invites, Bro.
Speaker 3:It could be a birthday, a funeral, it don't matter bro.
Speaker 1:Something will pop up bro, always, always, yo real quick though.
Speaker 2:Real quick before the break. Props to Willie's grandma too, because you know she's 96 ripping shots of Henny bro.
Speaker 1:That's crazy At 96? Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:She kept calling. This is funny. Yo, she kept calling me and my wife. Right, yeah, we're obviously the only white people there, it don't make no difference though.
Speaker 3:And she goes.
Speaker 2:Oh hey, jack and Jill.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, yeah, I see.
Speaker 2:Yo, she is funny. She kept calling us Jack and Jill. Bro, what up, what up. We are back. When I edit this, you won't notice it, but that was the first ever break that we had to take and that rhymed. I'm not as good as a rhymer as him, but that was the first ever break that we had to take. Willie, what do you got? You got a rhyme, nah.
Speaker 3:I was staying my lane, but we back, we back.
Speaker 2:Flats has a shitload of stories. He we back, we back. Flats has a shitload of stories. He got so many stories man. This man needs to start his own podcast. It's a lot of work.
Speaker 1:It doesn't pay well but you should start your own podcast.
Speaker 2:We're just going to get right into it. He's got a tank story that he's been itching to tell. I don't even know what it is. I don't know where this is going. I can't wait, but I want to be friends with Willie when this is over. Tiafimo actually tried to break us up.
Speaker 3:That was funny. He did, he did.
Speaker 2:He said he was like yo, if me and Tank fight, you guys still going to be friends. That's crazy. And I was like, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I said, maybe, maybe I don't know about Tank's hair.
Speaker 2:Willie, what's going on with your hair?
Speaker 3:Oh, what's going on with your hair, Yo what are you doing? I got hair, though. I got hair Yo, right you didn't know shit. That's the shit right there. My grandma was talking shit about my hair yesterday, I know, she looked like a sheep's ass.
Speaker 2:I'm like yo, yo, she's 96. Your hair look like a sheep's ass, she told.
Speaker 3:Mel at the end of the night. She's like. You can't say that though.
Speaker 2:I can say it.
Speaker 3:She told me she goes touch it, touch it. You ever touch a sheep's ass? I'm like Graham, you ever touch a?
Speaker 2:sheep's ass. What do you do For real, for real, outside of boxing People, like when we just chop it up? So what are you doing with your hair, bro?
Speaker 3:I'm going to have to get locks Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to try it out.
Speaker 3:This is my first time growing my hair.
Speaker 2:Jealous man. My bald ass can't do nothing but shave it.
Speaker 3:I took the twist out because my hair was itching. I didn't know what to do, so I'm like I washed it. It just started coming loose. I didn't know none of that. I didn't ask a friend. So in my world and white people world like when you're bald and shave your head, we get razor burn sucks. Hmm, I want, I want, I don't want to experience that in my life. Please I do. How about I don't get that?
Speaker 2:but speaking of hair right, what's going on with tanks? Hair Willie.
Speaker 3:Oh what it was. Oh, cuz he had the Michael Jackson bat. Yeah, that shit look weird. Yeah, oh, yeah, you said some shit. I saw your post. I'm here with you and I'm not. You wrote on somebody's shit.
Speaker 1:I forgot what you said I think I reposted it like yo, these young generations, be weird, you look like.
Speaker 3:It wasn't necessarily the hair, it was the fucking pose with it too.
Speaker 1:I get that Foot up like diva pose. You know what I'm saying. You wondering like yo, bro, you a fighter, I think like I don't know, bro. I don't know if it's getting in touch with your sensitive side.
Speaker 3:I don't know, bro, I don't know they like to be in designer shit. I don't know, I don't know they like to be in designer.
Speaker 2:Shit, that's not me, I can never.
Speaker 3:I'm a regular Like. Even if I get money, what I'm going to do.
Speaker 2:I'll buy a pair of Prada's and maybe more.
Speaker 3:Yo, you got a pair of Prada's yeah, Prada's Morey's. That's like the hood shit.
Speaker 2:So I thought, willie, he's been letting his hair grow hair grow, so I thought he was trying to get on that. Gervonta, nah, I'm getting locks, don't do that bro.
Speaker 3:Gervonta locks. Nah, this guy, he ain't doing that, bro. This guy, he trying to disrespect me out here.
Speaker 2:Yo, nowadays they wear purses and I mean I see Tank with the purse. I do see that.
Speaker 3:Bro, bro Tank with. I can't do that, bro.
Speaker 2:I had a kid the other day, right outside my road, I almost ran him over on the bike right.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 2:He just went. I was going, I stopped at the stop sign, he just went ignorant, gave me the finger, had a whole purse thing on and I'm like what the fuck? You got a purse.
Speaker 1:You can't be giving the finger to a kid, yeah how you talk, but he's a savage bro. Savage, you're right. So I've been telling people for years bro Tank is really that bro Like the shit. Because yo, if you pay attention, his trainers Pay attention, pay attention, if you pay attention right, take some notes right here.
Speaker 1:His trainers say you ain't seen the best of tank. Now I'm saying, and I could say from my experience, the shit that I seen him doing the gym is shit, that people ain't even seen him doing fights yet. Now I'm saying so give me some examples. What do you got all right. So boom, first, first, boom, we're gonna rewind. We're gonna rewind back to to the amateurs when I was I'm. I'm obviously way older than him, but it'll be certain tournaments, like ringside, world championships in Kansas City, where it'll be the older guys and the younger guys, we all fighting in the same tournament. We're not fighting each other. You know what I'm saying, but it's different brackets and it's a time when the older guys fighting the younger guys. All I remember because I didn't even know this was him until all my man. Oh well, it's, it's a. It's a trainer in New York city named Benny. Now I mean, um, everybody know Benny, he wanted top trainers in New York city.
Speaker 2:Um he.
Speaker 1:He started he was with us in Star Race City, but right now he at Cops and Kids in Brooklyn. You know what I'm saying. They're taking over the amateur scene oh yeah, for sure he got one of the he one of them, guys that he raised Every tournament.
Speaker 3:They be in Cops and Kids, cops and Kids, cops and Kids. Next, this kid, this kid.
Speaker 1:They been like that. They've been cops and kids been going crazy. But he, um, he wanted a guy. He was ega first trainer. Okay, he's his first trainer. I know because we was with them every day, starry city. We was all together. Ega fought my little brother, uh shu shu. They all was together. They like the same age, you know I'm saying so. Um, long story short, his son, son Jason, reminded me, like yo, you don't remember when we was in ringside and they used to be like yo, that kid from Baltimore is fighting and everybody used to go to the ring to watch him. And I had to think about it, like yo, I do remember that it was a kid from, a little light-skinned kid from Baltimore, and every time he'd fight everybody would go to his ring because he was nice and come to find out it was Tink. That's crazy. You know what I'm saying, isn't that?
Speaker 2:cool how that happens in the future.
Speaker 1:Right, you never know. You never know. Oh shit, that's what.
Speaker 3:I'll be trying to tell him.
Speaker 2:We need to go have an amateur fight.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's where you see the stars of the future, though. You know what I'm saying. No, I know. I know that.
Speaker 2:It's just we go to so many fights, or I go to so many fights Right the money. We ain't getting paid for this?
Speaker 3:shit, right, right, right. Nobody bringing us for free At least an amateur fight would be like 25.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:If you go to Stereo Garden by like 50, damn.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying 60 for a ticket, 60, 60 for standing room For an amateur fight.
Speaker 3:I drink Stereo Garden. I'm fucking expensive and I drink and each drink is like 25 dollars. They be having A hell of fucking sponsors and shit. Oh yeah, you be drinking so I'm not going to that bar. You remember the?
Speaker 2:last amateur fight we went to in Brooklyn Actually, your man's actually who. He just took another knockout. What the hell is his name?
Speaker 1:He kind of shunned us, he got knocked out. Oh, chris Colbert, oh my God, that's your boy man.
Speaker 2:Props to him, though that's my dog.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah. He did us dirty bro, he did me dirty man. What happened? What's the fight?
Speaker 2:I'm like yo Chris big fan, can I get a picture? He's like, yeah, not right now. He's kept going.
Speaker 1:Oh well, yeah.
Speaker 2:He is cocky bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's something I don't Like.
Speaker 1:I said that's my bro, but the cocky shit like nah. But I think sometimes, because he came up being so successful, I think sometimes a loss humbles you. You know what I'm saying. I think he might have got it now.
Speaker 2:You know what he did to you. He might have got humbled. Now, forget about that, though. Forget about what he did to me. I don't care, I'm a nobody, I don't give a shit right.
Speaker 3:Now, you don't care.
Speaker 2:I cared a little bit. Swallow my pride. Keep it real punk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, swallow my pride.
Speaker 2:Meet you at the top, chris Nah nah, nah. When he was arguing. What pissed me off more was when he was arguing with his corner.
Speaker 1:Sosa yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when he was arguing with Sosa Sosa's a real trainer. Facts, brooklyn Facts. Everyone knows you go to Sosa, you almost as a boxer, you gotta check in With Sosa in Brooklyn, right. Facts. And he's arguing With him in the corner and Sosa's like there's a glip, they pulled away. Sosa's like this is the camera and they pulled away Bro, yeah, that's crazy. And to me he's on his way To that tier, right, but doing that at this stage you can't be and that's the generational thing we're talking about. And, like I said, I'm not. He did shun me at the fight, so I'm a little.
Speaker 1:Well, I could tell you this it's a stigma that come with Brooklyn. Well, new York fighters, specifically Brooklyn fighters, it's like we have the talent but we don't listen. You know what I'm saying? Like we have the talent but we just don't listen, bro.
Speaker 2:But then there's the opposite spectrum of that right. Look at Shushu, different Bro Shushu. I met Shushu two or three times before we interviewed him. Right, shushu acts like I'm family, his family know Like it was crazy bro. I just recognized him on the street Like hey, yo Shushu.
Speaker 3:Same thing I did to Cobra. You can tell, though, like all like, from his eating habits and everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, yeah, it's just a person like but you got to understand with Shushu, you got to, you got to realize he was raised and it's not no knock on nobody that was raised in like a single parent home or went through the system or whatever. But Shushu was raised by both his parents, who were great people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah. No, that plays a part, it plays a huge part, bro.
Speaker 1:I know because I was raised by both my parents and I always looked at what's the difference for me and my friends. I was raised right.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. I was, I saw you spar and I approached you, no doubt on my show, no doubt chopping it up, talking boxing. You know what I mean. So as a fanboy, and that's all we are, me and Willie, are just fans. You can see us at fights or whatever. We're just fans. We don't mean to disrespect anybody, but if I'm fanboying out at an amateur event in Brooklyn, right, we drove all the way from Long Island to Brooklyn. We're here. I noticed you, nobody.
Speaker 2:The trainers asked me who he was. They were like who is that? I was like oh, that's Chris Colbert. I'm not going to name names, but I was like oh, that's Chris Colbert. I'm like yo, chris, big fan. He's like oh, nah, not, I take that shit like New York. When we go to amateur tournaments I'm rooting for New York. I don't give a fuck. When you were Chris Colbert, I never really followed his career, but when he's fighting other fighters I'm rooting for him just because he's from New York. It was hard for me. I still was, I still was. But from that experience it was really hard for me. Like this guy shunned me a little bit. Like you saw it, willie's like I'm not going to say it he's like yo, that don't like you.
Speaker 1:Yo, I was like what the fuck? You want to hear some crazy shit. My initial introduction to Coburn it was out of Golden Gloves. I knew who he was because he was doing his thing in the amateurs Me I already was doing my thing at the top, but I went to an amateur. My little brother was fighting. This was 2014,. Something like that 15. My little brother was fighting the Golden Gloves. I'm sitting down. You know what I'm saying. We came in a little late, so I get a seat. I sit down and somebody's like yo get out of my seat.
Speaker 3:I go what.
Speaker 1:It's like a little voice, like a little kid Like yo, get, get out my seat, like what. It's like a little voice, like a little kid like yo, get out my seat. I'm already. I'm him, like I'm, I'm one of the guys in boxing. That's like in in new york city, boxing and amateur. I'm him and forget that you you're about it. So you're, I'm about it.
Speaker 1:But I hear a little voice like yo, yo, get out my seat. I'm like yo, what I turn around, I'm looking at his camera. I go bro, yo, bro, who you talking to? He like yo. Get out my seat. I'm like yo, what I turn around. I'm looking at his camera. I'm like yo, bro. Yo bro, who you talking to? He like yo, get out my seat. I'm like yo, bro. You better ask. And there's other people Around that know who I am. They like yo. Yo, I'm like yo. You better ask them who I am. Son, you know what I'm saying. So, so, long story short, that was Lil B. That was Chris little beehive. That was chris colbert he like yo. But after that he was mad young then.
Speaker 1:I'm saying but me and him got mad cool. That's like that's a little bro now I'm saying, but I understand him he's cocky, a little cocky, that's all. That's all too cocky but, like I said, the trials and tribulations he went through with boxing, I believe it humbled him. Now I'm saying because even my initial introduction to him was crazy like like get out of my seat. I would have never said that to nobody.
Speaker 2:I don't know why. So when he was coming up in the amateurs he was just scraping everybody. He was running through shit, he was doing his thing, so that might have got his head a little bit. Of course, hopefully he matures and comes back Because, like I said, I'm rooting for I like the East Coast, west Coast boxing beef. West Coast got some great boxers they do. I like that a million and ten percent, especially from Brooklyn. I was born in Brooklyn, I'm like. So I was a little butthurt, but whatever.
Speaker 1:It is what it is Now. I believe New York, top, we top of the food chain, man, I'm saying the West Coast, even South, they got an emergence. South got an emergence too. Now you know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:They've been coming, yeah, they going crazy.
Speaker 3:You know what the problem is now Georgia getting some writers in.
Speaker 2:The problem is now, though, the poverty levels right. That's when you create the best boxes, because you got the dog in you.
Speaker 1:It is what it is right.
Speaker 2:I always speak about it with the Eastern Europeans. It's a fact. It. I always speak about it with the Eastern Europeans. It's a fact. It just is what it is. But in New York and I'm not saying there's not poverty in New York, don't quote me on this there is, believe me, there is. But it's like bougie poverty. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:If that makes sense. It's like I don't know If you go and do something in New York now you can end up. You know you can scam your way into.
Speaker 2:South Like poverty in New York is different than South poverty.
Speaker 3:You're not going to be real broke, no more. You're going to be fake broke, you can fake it.
Speaker 1:It ain't like it used to be broke.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean? It ain't like it's like everybody fake getting money. It's like everybody're not really.
Speaker 2:But we're getting off track again Real quick though, because we are, but he lost to somebody that's about to fight. So you know what I'm saying. He just got stopped. Yeah, he got stopped by Omar. Is that Omar? What was his name? Who he fighting?
Speaker 3:He's fighting Cruz.
Speaker 2:Oh, on the undercard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, oh I didn't really know that dude's name like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right. Actually Yo Willie Willie did his research man.
Speaker 3:My guy yo I told you what I was doing taking a shit today. You know what I'm saying Fucking stomach was hurting you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Omar Gomez, learning on the job, learning on the job, yo, that was also true. What's his record he got?
Speaker 3:a good record, like maybe two losses.
Speaker 2:Oh no, he's fighting your guy. This is why Willie knows he loves Andy Cruz.
Speaker 3:No, I don't like him you want money on him I just found out about him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you want money on him in the fight Big amateur yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, nah, oh, he's fighting Andy Cruz.
Speaker 1:The Olympian. This is a good step-up fight for him.
Speaker 2:It's a big step-up fight for Andy, right yeah?
Speaker 1:I agree that kid not going to come in, he not going to play, nah, nah, this kid coming for it.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm waiting for? Andy Cruz got hurt that last fight.
Speaker 2:Oh man. But he came back and hurt them. Who was he fighting? Andy Cruz's last fight.
Speaker 3:I didn't win that because I bet at the distance, because then he ended up getting a stoppage. Oh, you're right. Seventh yeah, you didn't win. That's why I'm mad.
Speaker 2:Who was he fighting? Antonio Moran. Yeah, he was tall, I remember.
Speaker 1:He was tall slick boxer. I got to check that.
Speaker 2:But Andy, his counterpunches was crazy, Andy Cruz our guy I'm a TO guy who we're going to see. February 14th, valentine's Day, keyshawn Davis, andy Cruz in the Olympics was the only one that beat him. So that's a fight that's on the horizon. I guess Keyshawn's probably going to excel a little more in the pro level.
Speaker 3:He's right there. That's his title fight.
Speaker 2:But yo, speaking of that weight division I'm talking he's 135 Keyshawn but 140. Another friend of yours. Another Brooklyn guy Just got a belt. Oh Africa, Richardson Hitchens.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's 40.
Speaker 1:Bro. I always told those he's the sleeper Out of all these young guys that names is ringing bells. I always told them Hitchens is the sleeper because he reminds me of Floyd right, but not Floyd when he was younger, Not the pretty boy Floyd. He reminds me of the old Floyd Money, Mayweather Floyd. If you really pay attention to his style, he know how to control the fight. He don't throw much punches.
Speaker 2:So you know who he reminds me of and I'm not being biased, willie. So shut up. He reminds me of young, hungry TO and hear me out, because he's calling out TO from day one, still calling out TO caught a belt, like TO did from Comey when TO was calling out Lomachenko and still calling out TO, he wants that smoke. So I'm not saying boxing style, but like that mentality, I like a lot. I like a lot. So I appreciate that. Willie, go ahead.
Speaker 3:I got nothing to say. I don't know what you do, how TO get in this shit.
Speaker 2:He could call TO out like crazy he did.
Speaker 3:That would be a great fight for Brooklyn.
Speaker 1:It should be in New York and everything. So he said TO ain't from New York. He said TO ain't from.
Speaker 3:Brooklyn. You would think that he's not from Brooklyn. You would think that the way he be talking crazy. You know, because people from Brooklyn, the Spanish and blacks get along real well and he started doing too much shade.
Speaker 1:I was telling Puma early. I said I understand he got a method to his madness. I just think like he be going kind of far bro.
Speaker 3:No, he's crazy, he goes far, bro. He goes far like he's not from Brooklyn Nah for real.
Speaker 1:He's not from a mixed area. He didn't grow up. He be going far.
Speaker 2:But back to Tank. A lot of fighters say dumb shit, do dumb shit, facts. And when your job and you could attest to this is to get punched in the face for a living right, facts. You got to be a little crazy, and I don't mean this as A little dumb. Does that make sense? Like you're getting punched in the face?
Speaker 1:I tell people all the time yo in order for me to be doing this shit my whole life. I got to be a little slow, bro. Like, let's be real, I'm not calling fighters slow.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:The reality of the fact I have to be a little slow bro. I'm not the slowest person in the world, but yeah, I'm a little slow bro, I'm going to go to a fight later.
Speaker 1:Yo, spartan, I'm slow, you slow, nah. Nah, it's the truth, though, man, it's the truth. But look, because you just reminded me back to my story with Tank Tank, yeah, so I was saying fast forward to when I moved to Vegas. So I was saying fast forward to when I moved to Vegas. For people who don't know, I lived in Vegas four years, 2016 to 2020. So I remember Tank came, he already I was there, I was in and out before that, but that's when I officially moved out there. So Tank came out there. He already came out there and, like bro, he made himself a legend, just in Floyd Jim Malone. Mind you, I was there when they was doing all that doghouse shit A thousand people in the gym banging on the ring, betting people. I was there for all of that.
Speaker 2:That was like when YouTube first started. It was crazy. That was when YouTube was lit. It was like some jailhouse shit.
Speaker 1:Because everybody was like yo, what the fuck, what is that? And it made all the fighters want to come out there to that gym because of that atmosphere.
Speaker 2:That went viral before viral was a term. That shit wasn't even a term. Super viral. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Played Jeopardy with viral, so boom I. It's going to be viral, so boom. I'm going to take you to this story right here. Tank he was training to fight what's the duel? He fought a duel in England.
Speaker 2:In England.
Speaker 1:In England His name might have been Liam or something who fought a duel.
Speaker 2:Tank Tank did. Yeah, he fought a duel in England.
Speaker 1:I think it was his first title defense Liam Walsh, liam Walsh, liam Walsh. Yep, so boom, liam Walsh been fighting for a while. Wow, right, god man. So to be honest, he got a brother too. He got a brother. Yep, I think he might have two brothers at box, but they thought he was going to give Tank problems. Mind you, I was there at the Barclays Center, front and center, when he won his first world title against Pedraza. I was there, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:That was one of his Bro. Bro, I don't mean to interrupt you, but I'm good.
Speaker 1:No, it's all good.
Speaker 2:Look, he knows where I'm going with this. Here's my issue with Tank, and it's not Tank's fault Again. I here's my issue with Tank, and it's not Tank's fault again. I'm going to make this clear I'm a Tank fan, as Willie doesn't like when I say his name, like this Gervonta fan. I'm a Gervonta fan. Look, you can't see, but if you look over Willie's shoulder, I got the merch right there. I got the autograph Gervonta over there, so I'm a Gervonta fan. Right, he hates when I call him Gervonta, so that fan. Right. He hates my co-host Javad. So that that Pedraza fight. Right, there was a lot and listen, you come at me, whatever. There was a lot of weight training. There was a lot of weight, was it?
Speaker 1:I think so, I think so I didn't know the particulars.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, and again, tank did what he's supposed to do. But we're coming to a point now with Tank right, it's time Like, yeah, you beat the shit out of Ryan Garcia. Right, cool, go get Devin Haney. You know what I mean. If Ryan Garcia could beat Devin Haney like that, right?
Speaker 1:You telling me Tank can't?
Speaker 2:I don't think none of those guys could beat Tank. That's what I'm saying, though. Why are we waiting? But, but, Go ahead, tell your story. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:I want to say I want to get my input on that too, because I feel like if a guy accept a fight, you can't make excuses after.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:If you accept to be weight-drained and rehydration closing. Yeah, you can't bring that up after and be like well, I lost because I got weight drained and no, it's too late.
Speaker 2:There's a common. So I failed math. I never fucking passed a math class in my life, right? I only know one thing is common denominator, right? That's when the bottom line is the same. But there seems to be a trajectory here, and I'm not trying to hate or whatever you want to call him Willie.
Speaker 3:Michael Jackson Bro like 5'3" bro.
Speaker 2:I'm saying, I'm saying I'm a Gervonta fan, right, I am, I really am, and I'm just like I want to see him. He is great, right. And the reason I'm such a Tiafimo fan is because Tiafimo dared to be fucking great bro. He took Lomachenko in Lomachenko's prime Lomachenko I know we hate the word duck. We started off the show like this People were ducking Lomachenko, lomachenko was a problem. To said I want him, I want him and just like I said with Richards and Hitchens why I appreciate him, he's chasing TO like that.
Speaker 3:I want TO. I like that. How did TO get that fight? He beat Richard Comey.
Speaker 2:Who's his manager? Top rank. Like I said, I don't think it's Tank's fault, but PBC is on the downward spiral right now. This also goes with Benavida. Pbc is not with that Saudi money right now. Fact. Saudis get in tune. Your biggest star is Tank. Can kind of sort of I don't know what's going on with that contract.
Speaker 2:He's still with PBC Kind of sort of. I don't know, he's still with his own two, kind of sort of. I don't know what's going on with that. But the point I'm making is Gervonta is your biggest star right now. Right, Benavidez, your biggest star. You got to fight. You got to fight the best right, Like TO said when we had him on the show, bro.
Speaker 3:That's the main thing I respect about.
Speaker 2:TO, because he'd like to fight anybody for the legacy, and he will.
Speaker 3:I don't think it's a legacy for the Tank. Tank want to make his money and get out. I don't think it's bigger than you know what I'm saying. Some people have fighting for a certain shit. So, as a fan, though as a pure fan, as a fan, yes, we want to see every fight.
Speaker 2:That's a little self. We don't never. I know I'm not making money, but we don't never get all the fights that we want. We don't never see it. I was like yo Tank, I was just doing my thing, going a little crazy. Tank looked at me like he mouthed to me. He mouthed to me what the fuck wrong with you?
Speaker 1:I was like yo just wave.
Speaker 2:He's like all right man.
Speaker 1:I was like yo, I'm a fan To me.
Speaker 2:that's my only gripe. It's not his fault. I heard too, and maybe you know more than me, this Barclays fight. They're not really selling like they thought they were going to be. It's early, it's early. Yeah, it's still early.
Speaker 3:I haven't heard that bomb.
Speaker 1:That's going to be a great fight though, and it's going to sell out those prices too.
Speaker 2:Listen, we go to a lot of fights. Those prices are crazy, that's crazy. Out of this world. Those prices I'm like Out of this world.
Speaker 3:Who's on the card. That's what-.
Speaker 2:I love Brooklyn, I love Barclays, I like what they did, but it's not MSG.
Speaker 3:Those prices are crazy. Who's on the card? Yeah, that too, that price is crazy.
Speaker 1:I'm going to keep it real and I hope I don't expose my secret, bro. But I get the cheapest ticket and I get in the building and they know me. So once I get in the building I'll be downstairs by the ring Not me and I'm not paying. I am not paying for that. Them prices be crazy.
Speaker 2:So I'm going to tell you another secret. And we, deep into the show now and I've said this before A few times on the show my wife, she took me to Barclays. I think it was a Danny Jacobs fight. I could be wrong, but I think it was. I think it was Danny, or maybe it was Kownaski. Yeah, kownaski, yeah, definitely fought, and they didn't sell out right. And I noticed this dude Was walking around. If I said this already, just tell me to shut up. But this dude, this usher, was walking around like picking people to go ringside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. They didn't sell out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I was like they need people up there.
Speaker 2:I was like yo, I see it, bro, and I'm like Melissa stand up, yeah, stand up. Shit, I said her name, nah, nah, I'm like yo, stand up, Stand up, she know, I'm like yo, pull your shirt down Bro, the usher, the usher. I was like, oh, we'll move, we'll move. Okay, you can move, yo Ringside.
Speaker 1:And Mark Reyes does shit like that. Msg don't do that. They don't sell out. They don't sell out. Yeah, nah, I was at. Damn, I'm going, you soldier.
Speaker 3:Wait for you. Sharice, my name's Sharice.
Speaker 1:I did the same thing.
Speaker 3:Show some legs.
Speaker 2:Show some rats.
Speaker 1:Show some skin or something.
Speaker 2:I want to show my titties.
Speaker 1:They want to kick me out. Yo, I went to, I was at Haney versus Pro Grade fight and shout out to Bill Haney, I mean shout out to Doug, I mean they doing their thing.
Speaker 2:We're going to get back to the take cover. Yeah, I'm going to get right back there, but I wanted to throw this in because, it correlates with what?
Speaker 3:you just said. I heard they was good people too.
Speaker 1:Nah, they good, yeah they good people Blue.
Speaker 3:Bloods TV.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was like yo, they people, they good people. I'm gonna interrupt one more time and I'm gonna let you flow, but real quick. So, me and my old guy that we fired fossil, right, yeah, he, he, we fired him. Willie, you hear that fossil no yeah, that's my guy.
Speaker 1:That's my guy, that's my guy, nah, nah.
Speaker 2:But so we met him. We met, uh, zab's dad. Um, what's his name? Joe well. Yo well, yeah, we met yo well. And someone else was there, I forget who. Yo, we're on the streets in front of the hotel Top Rank was staying at you know, I stalked it out. But we're on the street just talking boxing with Haney, everything. I even told him I'm a TO guy, he's like, but let me, he just talked to me like human. So when I cook Devin and when I cook the Haney's on social media.
Speaker 2:I want that to be known, that I respect him Right, right, right and he gave me the time to just chop it up boxing.
Speaker 1:I love that. I love that. Nah, he do that. He do that.
Speaker 2:He'll talk to anybody, it was Boots' dad.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, okay, Bootsy.
Speaker 2:Bootsy.
Speaker 3:I heard that. I heard that story, yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I spoke on it before and that was like to me little fanboy ass. Oh my God Go ahead go ahead.
Speaker 1:But yeah, we was at the. I was at the Progaze and Haney fight and they said it was sold out, but it wasn't sold out. But they was like yo, come up. Exactly, come up, come up. It's crazy when you see it. You know, when you filming you wanted to look packed. They closed that curtain.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean so yeah, yeah, because they wanted to look packed. You know the camera he catching certain angles. They're not going to get what's going on at the top, you know what I'm saying. So it looked sold out. But back to my Tank shit. So he was training for the Liam.
Speaker 3:Walsh Wait, wait, wait, one second, one second. Wait, wait, wait, one more, one more. So you know how you just said, how they did the Kurt shit. They wouldn't make it look packed. Why they do Shakur like that. That fight, that was bad.
Speaker 2:That's insane.
Speaker 3:That's a good point, man, Because like you know that they wouldn't do that for nothing, they trying to make every fight look packed.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. And they did Shakur like that he was leaving top ranks son, so you know what I mean. They showing people walking out. I ain't never seen that before. Why y'all showing?
Speaker 3:people walking out.
Speaker 2:You forget, though. Top rank doesn't forget, but you guys forget.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, Top rank, yeah, top rank boy, they petty, they petty bro, his boy Bob Aaron Petty, shakur's boy is Terrence Craw.
Speaker 2:Top Rank has some big Facts. We're not going to get into it, but they went racial and they went kind of weird with shit and it wasn't a good falling out with Terrence Crawford. Who's Shakur's man, Terrence Crawford, Terrence Shakur starts talking some ish right Top Rank's like all right, peace.
Speaker 1:Watch this we're going to make you look crazy.
Speaker 2:Which is?
Speaker 3:I don't think that's fast though, because they be like yo.
Speaker 2:I've been to Shakur fights. Bro, shakur styles. They should be fucking sleeping People in there old girls with BBLs.
Speaker 1:He not excited, but grandmas with BBLs being there sleeping.
Speaker 2:What they best on Grandmas with BBLs. Yo, yo, I'll give you that.
Speaker 3:Jay Left Hook was right with us, left Hook. Both of them sleep next to each other. I'm like old people in the city are sleeping, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:So boom Tank Yep yep, so Tank training for the Liam Walsh fight. Now I'm going to just give you a quick story, right? So this particular day he's sparring this kid named anthony, something like anthony son, I know he's like, he's like italian and he's from like uh, he's from like, the new england area. He was out there training with us in mayweather gym. I can't remember his name, I think anthony something on my head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, sparring him and kid the kid is nice. No, no, he's legit. He's legit bro. I don't know what his record is now, but back then it probably was like 10 and it probably was like 10 and 0, something like that.
Speaker 2:I keep tabs on my Italian fighters. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:The kid is nice though, you know what I'm saying. It's one of them doghouse days, you know what I mean when it's lit. So he doing his thing with Tank, you know what I mean. Then all of a sudden, tank tells him shut the bell off. Now, for people that don't know doghouse rules is no bell Till you quit, till you quit. So Tank told him shut the bell. They probably did like three, four rounds and someone's getting with Tank. He was getting with Tank. So Tank was pissed off. Oh, there was too many people there. Yeah, you can't out-champ the champ, bro. Shut the bell off. Bro. Shut the bell off. Floyd Shut the bell off. Shut the bell off Now. It's like it's lit now. So now they going at it Probably like 15 minutes, bro. Oh, I know because I'm on the far side of the ring. Bro, tank catch boy with some shit Left. I can't remember the punch that he first caught him with. I just know the kid backed up into the rope he was covering up.
Speaker 1:He was covering up on the rope Tank caught him with the uppercut from hell. Definitely left.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:One of them when you bring it all the way down like a street fighter Ken Ryu he brought it down, dust his shoes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, one of those. You know what I'm saying. One of those Frank Martin ones, one of them.
Speaker 1:Yo bro, I didn't even realize it. It's the Frank Martin. It's the same joint. He caught Frank Martin with son. He pulled that uppercut back and brought that boy up with fire. Bow Called him I'm talking about. You can hear the echo. Bow, oh, she quit, clip Stopped it. Boom Boy was out. So then everybody like oh, so now they put another kid in from, because Tank stopped this kid. So now they put another kid in from New York named James Wilkins. They called Crunch Tom.
Speaker 2:Crunch Tom James Wilkins, james.
Speaker 1:Wilkins yup, they put him in second. So, and the kid was decent at that time Crunch Tom was undefeated.
Speaker 2:From.
Speaker 1:Brooklyn.
Speaker 2:He from, he really from Staten Island, but I don't know they don't got a picture on Box right. That can't be him right. Let me see he 0-1 on this.
Speaker 1:That's his amateur record.
Speaker 2:Oh is it.
Speaker 1:No, no, that's his pro box, I put James Wilkins from Staten Island. Staten Island, I'm looking, keep talking, though what do you got? Yeah, so by the time he went in there, I think he was so shook, you know what I mean. And Crunch Time, he one of them guys, he act crazy, bro. I think he Italian too. He act crazy. He one of them, sporadic, like Poli Sparrow fighter. Yeah, poli.
Speaker 1:Sparrow fighter, yeah, poli Sparrow fighter. Uh uh, one of them crazy fighters, bro. But after that shot Tank called Boywit. It was like he wasn't crazy, no more. He got in there and was real like modest with Tank.
Speaker 1:So we telling him you found him, nah, I can't find him. So we telling, we telling Crunch Tom, like yo turn up. You know what I mean. But he's so shook, you know what I mean. He didn't put his best effort in. You know what I mean. But from that day forward, tank was sparring with like Found him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's him 13 and 3. Crunch Tom, yep, yep, super welter.
Speaker 1:But at the time he was undefeated.
Speaker 2:So from that he did his whole camp in Floyd Gym and from there, yo, if you're listening, just Google this man's box, rec James Wilkins, and look at his face. That's a mean motherfucker bro.
Speaker 1:See, see what I'm saying. He one of them crazy. He one of them crazy tattoos. Yeah, he one of them crazy tattoos. Yeah, he one of them crazy guys, bro, he describes it well, Yo, bro. I'm telling you, bro, listen my story's on cat bro, he's one of these crazy guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah, crazy.
Speaker 3:You remember some names, though that's crazy.
Speaker 2:That's good. Yeah, facts, facts facts bro.
Speaker 3:Hi, I'm James Wilkins, Hell no.
Speaker 1:He Hell. No, he crazy. Look, his name is Crunch Tom. He goes crazy, he loses his mind. He punches you after the bell.
Speaker 2:He lives in.
Speaker 1:Texas. He's from Brooklyn. Oh, he moves, All right yeah, so he used to go crazy. But when he got in there with Tank after Tank stopped, the Anthony kid wasn't no crazy that day.
Speaker 2:He was real modest, yo, I'm interested in this guy now, bro you. He was real modest, yo, I'm interested in this guy now, bro you just made me. Oh no, he can fight. Shout out Crunch Time, crunch Time, get busy.
Speaker 1:He just won December 12th. Who he fought? Somebody with a good record, because when he caught his first loss, they started putting him against tough fighters.
Speaker 2:He beat this guy, Dennis Contreras, who's 24 and 15.
Speaker 3:He probably been on one of the fights.
Speaker 2:We was fucking. I've been on one of the fights. Yeah, I know I'm trying to see Crunch. Tom got a little name, bro, he got a hit.
Speaker 1:He trained with Sosa in him too. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, he's from Staten Island. He trained with Gary Starks. He trained with Gary Starks. Yeah, yeah, gary Starks, it wasn't a big card but whatever he's still banging Tank took his heart that day because he hit boys so hard. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Yo, I'm going to chop this up and put his face his boxer face on this shit.
Speaker 1:Yo Shout out Crunch Time man. You know what I'm saying. That might be the best boxing nickname that not many people. Crunch Time right.
Speaker 2:And then you put Crunch Time with his face.
Speaker 1:Yo, you got to check his.
Speaker 2:Well, now I think he'd he banged with him he well, he could have did way better.
Speaker 1:He was shook Because of the knockout tank. Because of the tank, caught a tremendous knockout A la Frank Martin how he called Frank Martin, bro. He caught one of those shows, frankie Farrin.
Speaker 1:Frank Farrin I would have been a little. I'd have been a little nervous Well, not me, but if I was him I would have been a little nervous too, bro, because Tank was cracking that day. You know what I'm saying. But my point moving forward because I got more stories, more Tank stories. But moving forward, tank for that camp bro. Tank was stopping shit, bro. And yo listen, bro, listen, anything y'all heard about Tank. That's like make him look like some type of Superman or Incredible Hulk. It's no cap, bro. I see him squat light heavyweights, bro. So the rumors are true is what you're saying.
Speaker 2:The rumors are true.
Speaker 1:I seen him stop light heavyweights little weights. I seen it. Yo bro, I'm the type I don't judge sometimes.
Speaker 2:I seen it my own too Yo bro, if you listen, you got to see Willie's face right now.
Speaker 1:Tank is him, bro, he's him, you know what I'm saying the man is right here.
Speaker 2:I've seen him my own two eyes, bro, I've seen somebody actually seen it.
Speaker 3:He's him Actually seen it.
Speaker 1:He's him Because I didn't believe the hype either.
Speaker 2:You know what I believe, you and everything I just want him to fight a little better opposition Now, don't we all? It's not insane Like I'm going to go back to my point right, like when was Tank ever in a fight where he was like pro, like pro fight? When was he ever in a fight where he was like close, like the Benavidez fight, coming up Morel odds-wise?
Speaker 3:That means nobody's on his level.
Speaker 1:Yes, Wait, what was the odds with Garcia, though? Was he, is he like a super favorite? He was like 300.
Speaker 2:But Garcia is like a different entity because he brings in a whole other fan and when you bet on the fight he's kind of like Jake Paul in a sense, nothing against Garcia. No, garcia's legit. I bet Devin Haney. I thought Devin Haney was going to wax him.
Speaker 1:I was there for that fight.
Speaker 2:Front and center again.
Speaker 3:Who do you think I I thought Devin Haney was going to wax him. I was there for that fight. Front and center, again Front and center. Who do you think I should ask Flack, all right, no, you're good. Who do you think that would give Tank the run for his money? At what weight? 130, 135?.
Speaker 1:I'm going to keep it real with y'all, y'all my guys to the world. I'm going to keep it real with you, world Tank not losing no time soon at 30, 35, or 40. 40? The only way he'll ever lose, bro, is if he move up to 47. Really, yes, that's the only way Tank will ever. Because that's another thing. With that same guy with the big eyes, he tried to say and this is another thing he said pissed me off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he pissed me off Show biz.
Speaker 1:He pissed me off when he was like yo Tank retiring because he knows that he'll never reach a certain level and he'll never be on this level. And people always think no, tank is retiring because he's been fighting his whole life and he wants to live a normal life and people forget the camps leading up the sparring wars Bro it don't stop Sparring is fighting in a sense. It is fighting, bro. Sometimes sparring be tougher than the actual fight, bro.
Speaker 2:The way he came up with the Mayweather bag. So that's what it was.
Speaker 1:We started to show off. That pissed me off, bro.
Speaker 2:We started to show off, I was like yo, what was it that?
Speaker 1:he said we got there, we got there. That pissed me off because I'm like yo, you can't talk like you know why a fighter is doing what he's doing when you never experienced this shit and I can tell you Especially where he came from, Yo bro. Yo bro, to be a fighter takes a different level of discipline. Look, growing up as an amateur. You can't party, you can't have fun, can't drink All your friends drinking having fun smoking a little weed.
Speaker 2:Make your weight. Make your weight. You got to make weight when you're growing when you're growing. When you're growing.
Speaker 1:Even as a kid, bro. That shit is no joke. Yo bro, when I was going to amateur tournaments, we all used to be eight to ten pounds overweight. We get there first thing we do. First of all, we can't eat on the way there. We spit in a cup. See, this is shit y'all don't even know about. We spit in a cup the whole ride I'm talking about. So when I was in the amateurs, my father used to load up a van with us, me, my little brother, a couple other guys from the gym. We'll go from state to state, from New York down to DC, ohio, atlanta, kansas City, mississippi, all the way down to the West Coast. You know who that?
Speaker 2:reminds me of Harvey. Yeah, he's gone crazy. He an amateur.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we got little mans in there.
Speaker 2:He be fighting, like every weekend. That's the grind.
Speaker 1:That's how it was, bro. He's everywhere, bro. That's how it was for us. We'll go jump in a van summertime and we'll go state to state, bro. And while we in there, we spitting in a cup to lose weight, to dehydrate ourselves, we getting out plastic on Abilene on, we got to run Mouse Know what I mean? Hot tub, Sit in a hot bath for 15 minutes.
Speaker 2:A lot of people don't know either. Like the tournaments, I know the national tournament. They got to make weight every day. Every day, bro, it's only one tournament.
Speaker 1:It's only one tournament I ever fought in where we had to make weight one time, and that was the title national in Atlanta. We had to make weight one time. That's just one tournament, and that's one tournament. And guess what? After that, everybody rehydrated, blew up. You was fighting motherfuckers. That was waiting at 175.
Speaker 2:Now they 230.
Speaker 1:Because the tournament is four or five days. So by the time you fight them they done rehydrated four or five days.
Speaker 2:They 230, bro. They don't know how hard it is making weight every day. Every day, bro, it's tough, bro you can't even celebrate, you can't eat what you want.
Speaker 1:You can't eat what you want Yo, bro, it's tough.
Speaker 3:And then take the golden gloves.
Speaker 1:Then you gotta worry about school.
Speaker 3:The.
Speaker 1:Golden Gloves. Let me tell you how the Golden Gloves was. The Golden Gloves you get they give you a two pound. They give you like a. The first fight they give you like a two pound. You could be over two pounds. Second fight, they give you like one pound. After that you got to make weight. Every fight, bro, and the Golden Gloves is not back to back days like how national tournaments is. National tournaments is back to back days. Golden Gloves, you might fight this week, then you might fight again three weeks from now, you might fight a month from now and you got to be on weight. So imagine having to be on weight for two months straight as a kid. As a kid, bro.
Speaker 2:That shit ain't no joke.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. So yo, bro, this shit is serious, it's tough bro, this shit is serious.
Speaker 2:It's tough bro, it's tough, it's tough.
Speaker 1:You can't live a normal life when you coming up in this game, bro.
Speaker 2:Back to the point. That's why he's retiring, right, that's why he's retiring.
Speaker 1:So that showbiz guy had me tight so I don't even believe that.
Speaker 2:like that, he's retiring, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. And that's the spotlight, because let me tell you, bro, as a fighter, there's nothing like the spotlight. The money too, I think. He probably made investments and stuff like that, so it might not. Yeah, hopefully it might not be the money as much, but when you go from being like as much as certain guys act like they don't want to take pictures or they don't want to sign an autograph.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you something, bro when you're not getting no attention, when you're not getting no attention and you're like damn, I, I, I was successful and I accomplished all of this, and now nobody recognized me. That shit bothers you, bro.
Speaker 2:Well, that's like that's cobra. I recognize you, man, you've shown me.
Speaker 3:So that's how the females feel like every day. Yeah, female boxing no, no, no, no. Females in general yeah.
Speaker 1:If they walking outside and no guy's paying them attention, bro, they gonna be like something wrong, man that's when they get old.
Speaker 3:Like the shorty in high school that was bad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now, now she's the guy. That's why you guys are wrong, because I love those females, because that's why I come in like hey he's that guy.
Speaker 1:I ain't gonna lie. He's that guy. I ain't gonna lie he take the O-ho tell him.
Speaker 3:Melissa, you said that she gonna wax your ass. That was it. I didn't know why you say her name and get on here. Anyway, I didn't mean it like that. I wasn't just talking about her in general, that's crazy Yo you're sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:I was not talking about you, man. You know, sharice.
Speaker 2:Sharice, that's crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah because the old Yo that was crazy, she go yo.
Speaker 2:Look he nervous, she a real old chick.
Speaker 3:Yo, I always do that. I always messing with her about her age.
Speaker 1:That shit, be having her cry. Nah, real talk though. Like for a fighter to not get no recognition. Nobody know him after he accomplished a lot in the sports, like. And then that high it's nothing like high. I never did drugs. I might have smoked a little weed. You know what I mean Growing up, yeah, but I've never done no heavy drugs and I've never been a drinker like that. But I know for a fact that high of walking out to a crowd screaming your name, bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's nothing like it.
Speaker 1:There's nothing like it, Bro, I'm talking about something my spirit levitates, bro. I'm telling you bro.
Speaker 2:So, speaking of that, we we haven't talked about what you got going on. We talked about who you spar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we talked about the cool ass 2024 you had ups and downs, but I think you have more ups than downs in that year.
Speaker 2:you know arguably a lot of downs, yeah, in my opinion, though, right, like from a boxing standpoint, though, that that was cool what you did, right, yeah, and then you have a fight coming up, so you're gonna get that high again, so so, so Speak on that real quick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, right now. I feel like 2025 is the year to come back. Man, I had one. I had one planned December 6th, but something happened. I mean I don't want to get into it Promotionally something happened with me. No, no, no, it was something something personal happened then now with the one I was actually supposed to go February 1st, but a situation happened with that promotion. But I got something coming very soon, very soon, very soon.
Speaker 3:There's time man In New York. Yeah, time, Time running out. Yeah, yeah, yeah In New.
Speaker 1:York too, man, of course in New York. You know what I'm saying. All my fights, my pro fights, been in New York Sold out. I'm a big ticket seller, you know what I'm saying, and I'm just thankful to God for the opportunity to be able to get back in the ring. So real soon I'll be back in there.
Speaker 2:You can't like a guy like we talked about earlier. You sparring dudes, You've been in everybody's camp, really. David Benavidez is on everyone's top 10, right, like top 20 if you don't know what you're talking about, but everyone's top 10 if you know what you're talking about, right, right, and you're in his camp, right, everyone's top 10 if you know what you're talking about, right, right, and you're in his camp, right.
Speaker 1:It's time, man, you got to get a fight Absolutely, man. You got to get it cracking Absolutely, and the thing is I got all these guys supporting me. They got my back If I ever need to hit David Benavidez and tell him I need to get in shape.
Speaker 3:I need to come to camp. Yeah, that's a cheat code yeah yeah, I'm grateful, bro, I'm grateful.
Speaker 2:And you are like my friend. Hold on Willie's checking his bets. I hear it, I hear the phone. Shit, willie, this motherfucker, yo how the hell, that shit.
Speaker 3:That's crazy. I heard that shit. How you do that on there. Wow, how your shit. Don't do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got big ass ears.
Speaker 1:I got big ass ears. That's wild.
Speaker 2:He knew Anyway, Willie better get fired too Yo.
Speaker 3:Flatt you better be permanent Fucking fired. I'm not Fuck it.
Speaker 2:So, listen, you have that backing right. Yes, sir, you talk your shit like a friend of ours too, jarrell Miller. He talks himself into all kinds of shit. It's time, man, we're rooting for you. I want to be there in the crowd, of course.
Speaker 1:I want to get kicked out of one of your fights. It's mandatory. I want to get kicked out of one of your fights. It's mandatory, bro. I need y'all there.
Speaker 2:That'd be crazy, and just like anybody that did our show we're going to go crazy. Anybody that did our show I'm. I'll take a bullet for your ass. How fucking you see me in the crowd is. That's all uh, uh.
Speaker 1:What's the name? The olympian jenny?
Speaker 2:yeah, jenny, jenny fuchs I said it wrong again. She gonna kill me. Fuchs nah futures jenny, she crazy, she olympian, I'll fucking go. Where's you from texas, texas, I'm not even familiar.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, she didn't want that whole thumb.
Speaker 2:The whole thumb was out, yeah.
Speaker 3:This whole shit, boom sticking out still.
Speaker 1:Oh, beginning of the fight.
Speaker 3:That's crazy.
Speaker 2:Bro, it's not confirmed, but she got on the show right. We did a remote, whatever. We were always fam. We were always show right, tipsy as shit.
Speaker 3:Not confirmed tipsy shit, but I was like, oh, welcome to the greatest show. She was talking about us.
Speaker 2:She was talking she's like that jack daniels back there funny as hell, yo, but she's a real fighter, she's disciplined and everything. She's actually on oprah too. She got like she has like legit ocd, like legit she's on an oprah show anyway. That's besides the point. But the point I'm making is Flats, we got to get your ass in. I appreciate it, man.
Speaker 1:I'll be there, bro. I'm going to get there, bro.
Speaker 2:You got the two greatest fans in the world right now, yeah, fucking, because we've been wanting to see Mike too, Magic Mike. Yeah, magic Mike too.
Speaker 3:I don't know when he he going through the same Sparring, the same.
Speaker 2:Yeah, same thing, same thing, bro he um for his size, I'm like damn the kid is nice man.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of politics, man Boxing is.
Speaker 2:For the people that don't know, that are listening right, like to make it in boxing, like people think, oh, you're a pro, like and this is going to sound crazy but anybody could be a pro, right, me and him could pay some money and get our pro card tomorrow. But to be a pro that's winning and climbing the ranks is a totally different animal. And then you throw everything life's throwing at you inside of that. When you're climbing those ranks, the bills aren't being paid, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:We had a couple people like that Vargas, Alex Vargas, same shit.
Speaker 2:Alex Vargas. He was ranked. He was ranked like 13, I think it might have been the WBO or the WBA. Right, he's out here in Long Island. He's like yo, I know this boxing shit. He's smart. In a sense he's like I got to get a real job, but now he's having issues because he has a real job, right, right. And he's like shit, I want to fight, I'm a fighter, I'm a fighter, I want to fight and his promotion is messing with him. So you're not alone.
Speaker 2:You're not alone man, and that's why we all we respect fighters, Especially the ones on the come up, Always, Even you know, I was a little upset with Colbert. I respect him. He's a fighter. You know what I mean. It is what it is on the come up man.
Speaker 1:It's a hard way to make a living, bro, Because it is bro.
Speaker 2:Even going to camps as a camp sparring guy. I made a living doing that Exactly. But that's war Every day and you got to be in shape to get invited back. You got to be in shape to fight these guys. These guys are training for the fight of their life. They're coming to kill you Kill bro.
Speaker 1:They will kill Yo bro. Yo bro, david Benavidez is my brother man. He's a great guy. He will kill you, bro. He will beat you to the damn near the death. Yo bro. Every day I thank God, bro, for blessing me with the skills that I have and the instincts, because I've always been defensive. My father taught me that as a kid.
Speaker 2:Be defensive Defense first.
Speaker 1:Yes, Because my father grew up in an era where guys like Aaron Pryor you know what I'm saying Certain guys that the punches they took in the ring, it took a toll on them after a while. So my father and I tell people this all the time my father's crazy, bro, because he made me get into boxing but he didn't want me to turn pro and I never understood that. How could you put me into something but not want me to do it for real? And as you get older, you see it right.
Speaker 2:You're starting to do it for real. And as you get older, you see it. Right, You're starting to see it.
Speaker 1:Bro, and sometimes, as good as my defense is, as less shots as I and I've been in there with the big babies I've been in there with some of the hardest punches ever, yo bro. Sometimes, bro, you, you get headaches out of nowhere. I'm telling you, bro, that, that, that, that um look at uh that head trauma is real.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna shout her out real quick. I don't know she's from the city, I know she's from brooklyn, but heather hardy right she was in war war she's going through it right now mentally catches up to you catches up to.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm saying I got an autograph right. I posted it the other day. It's a card autograph of the late great muhammad ali right, yeah and it was on that he autographed it at the end, at the end of his his life, right? So you look at the autograph, it looks nothing, it looks nothing like his.
Speaker 2:It's a real autograph but it looks and that's just sad and that's and you're on your what you're trying to make it right and it's also a gamble. Like I said, you got life, you got kids, family, girls, whatever life, life happens. So respect, we respect all fighters. Like we said we always, we talk a little shit but we respect all fighters like I can't stand Anthony Joshua, but you know still, yeah, you got to respect him, bro.
Speaker 1:I don't like Anthony Joshua either.
Speaker 3:I don't care, I don't care he be corny, he still doing corny shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's mad corny.
Speaker 3:Did you see the post with him and Turk Al-Sheikh? They got a little gambling type of that's the money.
Speaker 2:That's why, yeah, they over there. But seriously, man, we respect Picking fights and shit. We're a podcast and we started to show off with talking a little shit about podcasts. So we do talk a little shit, as you should. Yeah, and we're just critics we were talking about in the car ride. We're just critics. But if you do have a problem with me go through flats first again. Yeah, I'm holding my guys down, man. You know what I'm saying Word, I'll send you a Christmas card.
Speaker 1:You got anything else for him.
Speaker 2:No, you got any other stories, flats we getting that Shit?
Speaker 1:I got a million of them, bro. This shit don't stop bro. I got real stories.
Speaker 2:What's coming up? What's some drama. We'll get back to the Haney drama you saw recently. We'll talk about because you can go on for days about Ryan Garcia and Haney.
Speaker 1:Oh, hold on, Not to cut you off. I just seen a video. This shit was corny and yo, like I said, I got love and respect for the Haney family, for Bill. I mean the way he brought Devin to where he's at now.
Speaker 2:Yo, I don't mean to interrupt you. I've been drinking. We're going way too long. I'm about to piss my sweatpants. You keep talking.
Speaker 1:You keep talking, you keep talking.
Speaker 2:I'm going to squeeze by, I'm going to go piss. There's a little bathroom over there. Nobody knows about but me. All right, keep going though. All right, I'm not trying to be Now. If you follow the show, you know Puma drinks.
Speaker 1:So I just seen a video today. I just seen a video today of yeah, like they was at some convention or something, right? Why was they waiting outside for Ryan Garcia bro? Yeah, like to me that was corny bro.
Speaker 3:Did you see it? Yeah, yeah, I've definitely seen that.
Speaker 2:That was corny, bro.
Speaker 3:I'm on social media all the time. Yeah, I don't know where he was getting at for that and Ryan Ryan's so funny son he played it.
Speaker 1:right, bro, he played it right, right.
Speaker 3:He's not even paying him, no mind.
Speaker 1:No mind, bro, he played it right. No mind, like yo, you sued me already.
Speaker 3:This shit is not even entertaining no more, because you already sued him. Yo I already sued him already. He's like I'm not even entertaining y'all, like I already beat y'all type Even if you know if he cheated or whatnot.
Speaker 1:Yo be like you know Kodo or somebody Go get your shit back and that's what I'm saying, bro long though, like you waited, like wow yeah, but but just today I just seen another video with um devin like he ain't gonna be good until you get his his payback. I mean like he want the rematch. Until you get the rematch he ain't never gonna be good. But I thought he didn't want to. I don't know.
Speaker 3:I'm confused I don't say he didn't want the rematch. I'm confused. I hope he do want the rematch, but I don't know if I don't know, if it's, I don't know, I don't know how he's going to do in the rematch. I would want the rematch, bro.
Speaker 1:Regardless of what he might not I don't know if he's going to win or lose, but as a man, bro, as a man, I heard everything I'm calling back. As a man fuck all the suing in the court, bro, let me get mines in blood bro.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying. He got to do the Kodo. He got to do something. You know what I'm saying he got to get it back.
Speaker 2:He's shaking my leg.
Speaker 1:So that's like Kodo and Margarito, yeah, got to get it back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I wouldn't want mines back, bro, like you got to get it back, but the way they going about it.
Speaker 2:I don't know the chopped it up with me All the dads. Good people, good people, but they taking L's yeah, they can't get out of their own way. And I know you said something about the court stuff, right? Yeah, garcia did it. Right, you're suing me? Yeah, I'm not saying shit. Why would I? I'm not saying you.
Speaker 2:I'm not entertaining you, I'm not, and not only that, there were so many rivals at the Ring Magazine award ceremony and they were asking fighters about it, and they're like no, we're keeping it peaceful here, he's the only one that was Well, I've seen one video with Ryan Garcia and Conor Benn.
Speaker 1:Y'all seen that one. Yeah, yeah, conor Benn kind of put his hand in his chest, and that was corny to me too, but I get it. You know what I'm saying. I get it. You know what I'm saying. I get it like and it was like Ryan Garcia didn't want to respond.
Speaker 2:Connor Ben did that in England though that's where they was at England.
Speaker 1:Alright, he said he was talking shit about me in my city. Connor, ben had everybody I understand, yeah, yeah, connor Ben did that in England.
Speaker 2:I understand that I was waxed still, but I just don't like corny shit yeah, corny shit, and I've spoke on this before and you know where I'm going to go with this Willie, and we got to close the show soon. Willie got to work.
Speaker 3:I ain't waking up.
Speaker 2:Sorry but.
Speaker 3:I should have warned you bro.
Speaker 2:That's why yo, when I last met you, I was like yo, can we do a little earlier? So Connor Ben hasn't got a crazy knockout since the again. I've spoke on this a million times since the egg scandal with droids or whatever, where he got suspended, but he was fucking lighting dudes up. He made Chris Algieri look like a nobody, like an absolute nobody. And Chris Algieri came out and said he's on the juice, you can tell. And then since then, right, he's back, he's fighting who's he not? It's not happening. Pistol Pete almost knocked him out.
Speaker 1:Props to him real quick too. Props to him a little firefighter guy. He's a firefighter. Yeah, back to what we were talking about how hard it is.
Speaker 2:Pistol Pete made it right. He made it Pete Dobson, he was there. He was there, the tippy top. He fought everybody. Yep had to get a job, had to get a job bro had to get a real, like a working job.
Speaker 1:I ain't mad at him. It's tough man. It's tough. He still want to pursue his career. Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2:Of course, and he's good for like in New York. We're lucky because FDNY Boxing, they got the Cops and Connor Ben, you gotta knock, not me, you'll knock me out. You gotta start knocking some folks out. I don't know man, but yeah. That was corny Corny, corny, corny.
Speaker 1:Corny. Yeah, yeah, boxers gotta realize, man and I wanna say this Before we go off right Boxers gotta realize, bro, it's the difference between Boxing and the street. Bro, leave, leave, because when you got a career, you're not trying to throw away and you take it to a certain length. It's only going to go two ways You're either going to have to do something to somebody or go to jail, or you're going to force somebody to do something to you and you don't want to go down that road either way. So separate the boxing. I understand bill haney from the street, or whatever, I don't know, but I respect him and I got love for me too, me too, but it comes just, corny.
Speaker 2:It comes to a point like devin haney isn't a kid, right? Devin haney's his own man, grown man, he's his own person. I'm all about father some like to and his dad. I hate to bring it up again. Boots and it's in his dad, right he been sounding mad punchy lately.
Speaker 3:Who? Devin Dude? He can't talk. Devin, I ain't going to sound something he took some shots Stick up for your son.
Speaker 1:I was there. It's your son. It's your son, stick up for him.
Speaker 2:But Devin you a man. Yeah, now he's what 25, 26? About 26, you're not 26, you're not 18, you're not Like once you pass 25, in my opinion You're a man. Now you got to stand on your own. You know what I mean. You can't go to the 21 year old bars or the 18 year old bars. Your dad can't keep Talking all this for you, and his dad was wrong For that. The Ring Magazine.
Speaker 1:Wrong, bro. That was bad Again they're reaching.
Speaker 2:I feel like, and there's no disrespect to the Haney family or his pops. I posted something on the ring thing. I was like or he's getting sued and Ryan Garcia doesn't want to say anything.
Speaker 3:Ryan is a freaking genius.
Speaker 2:Regardless of what you say he's one guy.
Speaker 3:He's always going to make some type of money or have some type of fight whenever he wants to.
Speaker 2:He said he's navigating to the TO fight. That's a good-ass fight.
Speaker 1:He could do an exhibition. What happened? He said he got injured when he was about to do the exhibition In Japan or whatever In Japan, oh yeah. Bro, he could do that and make money bro.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Ryan.
Speaker 2:Ryan's a Ryan, that dude. He was about to fight in Japan or China, whatever it was. Excuse me if I'm. Was he legit? Yeah, he was like a kickboxer. I saw him hitting the bag. I don't want to say he's legit, you know. That don't mean nothing. I look great hitting the bag. You spar me, you'll fuck me up, right, but he looked like he knew his little something. I think that's kind of why Ryan didn't do it.
Speaker 1:He was probably like I'm out of shape. Yeah, yeah, I think he was like yo, I can't just do this shit and think this is going to be easy. And this motherfucker hit me with that thunder.
Speaker 2:I can't be slugging beers. Yeah, like nah, nah, nah, Because if you know what you're doing. So he was smart.
Speaker 1:He was smart, Bro. You sleep on somebody and find out they something different, Bro you get fucked up, bro.
Speaker 2:What was the nickname? James Wilkins' nickname Crunch.
Speaker 3:Tom Crunch, tom, my guy.
Speaker 2:Yo every angle, bro, he's staring at you Yo look at this.
Speaker 1:Everywhere I go, Bro, he's like, yeah, he's like one of them crazy boxes bro.
Speaker 3:He got like a jail prison.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's tatted up. Jail prison he's tatted up, he's tatted up. Bro, if I was in prison.
Speaker 2:he's like who you with the Trollos?
Speaker 1:I think he'd be on some godly shit, now, that's good. If you watch this old Instagram he was crazy, his sparring shit he'll post highlights of him hitting people after the bell. I think I've seen that. Yeah, like flipping people out the ring Like the motherfucker was crazy bro. Yeah, like hitting people in the nuts.
Speaker 3:All type of shit. You know the brawls after the sparring session, where they start brawling, everybody jump in the ring.
Speaker 1:He had a bunch of those. He was crazy, son. The whole video game player.
Speaker 3:He was crazy son, the whole video game player. Yeah, bro.
Speaker 2:Crunch was crazy, son. All right, we got like 10 more minutes. All right, I'll give Willie 10 more minutes. Then Willie got to take a nap. What else we got? So we talked about Tank's hair. We talked about the Haney. We talked about. I said Tank, though we talked about the Haney.
Speaker 1:Wait, what about the Fury Usyk?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we could touch on that too.
Speaker 1:That was the end of the year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was the end of the year. We got Fury Usyk too. What did you think of that? Fight Sparks.
Speaker 1:Well, one thing that stood out to me it was a heavyweight fight on the undercard, bro. I can't remember the up-and-come. He just won the award, bro, I can't remember.
Speaker 2:The up and come. He just won the award too.
Speaker 1:It was this dude with an overhand right bro. Yeah, yeah yeah, this motherfucker. I don't know who he is, bro.
Speaker 2:I know who he talking about. I said this. He just got Ring Magazine. Yo, he was nice son.
Speaker 3:He was nice we lost mad money on that.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's not him. It's not him, bro, the black dude. Yeah, I know who you're talking about. He nice, but it's another dude.
Speaker 3:The last minute dude Moses Itama.
Speaker 2:You ain't talking about him. That's the card right there. Yeah, you ain't talking about Moses Itama, he's too heavyweight. Johnny Fisher versus.
Speaker 1:David.
Speaker 2:Allen.
Speaker 1:Johnny.
Speaker 2:Fisher versus David Allen, whichever one won which?
Speaker 1:David Allen. Whichever one won. Whichever one won that fight, I don't remember Johnny Fisher won His overhand.
Speaker 2:What's his record? He's 23. Oh no, I'm sorry, he is 13-0. Him, there was like English beef there.
Speaker 1:Is that him? Yeah, johnny Fisher. Yeah, his overhand right was so, and that's my punch Overhand right was so and that's my punch overhand right, his overhand right was so mean and nasty and clean. I say, oh, I got to find out who this dude is, bro, because he kept catching his dude with the same punch over and over and over, and the other dude was nice. They, big in England.
Speaker 1:They was not Yo the other dude, that was a great fight bro. Yeah, they big in England. This Johnny Fisher guy is nice, bro, that's his name, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, johnny Fisher, if that's who you're talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's nice yeah yeah, he fought David Allen or something. I thought you were talking about-. No, that kid is nice, that kid is nice, yeah, he's nice. They said he Like yo. What heavyweight you think is going to be the next? I said oh, that kid right there, he's nice, bro, he might be the one, he might be the next one, bro. You know what I'm saying. What do you think is next for Fury? He said he's not retiring Joshua, he's going to cash out with that Joshua?
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's going to hit a walkie-talkie.
Speaker 2:There you go. You got to get on that undercard England Money.
Speaker 3:That's the money, bro, that's easy money. That's easy money for like a period.
Speaker 1:Yeah, how much he made for his last fight, like 75 million.
Speaker 2:Something crazy, like winner made 100?
Speaker 1:Yeah, like Usyk made like 120 something. Let's talk about Usyk, yo what?
Speaker 3:But, they don't got real fans out there to watch it, though. They don't got the crazy fans out there I saw that In the UK.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, not really, uk does Not in the UK, not in the UK. Not in the UK. Uk, mexico and USA, saudi, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They don't have them. Fans out there Cool, but you need real.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Like you need that. We going more crazy over here.
Speaker 1:I heard the show with Terrence Crawford was crazy. Oh fuck Zab, was there? Zab told me that that was one of the best shows he ever been to when Crawford. In Cali really His last fight. Yeah, he said that show like the atmosphere and the way it was set up.
Speaker 2:So that's why you heard her name Ginny she fought him that year. But you know what sucked about that fight was. Oh no, I'm sorry that was Jarrell Miller's fault on that fight.
Speaker 1:Andy Ruiz, andy Ruiz.
Speaker 2:But the thing that sucked he got robbed too. Big robber, they call it draw.
Speaker 1:He was whooping.
Speaker 2:Andy.
Speaker 1:Ruiz's ass. We bet it draw right.
Speaker 2:Draw Big robbery. He was whooping in his ass, bro, we bet on that?
Speaker 1:yeah, he was whooping his ass, bro, beating his ass. To me it wasn't even close, bro. That was corny, that was whack.
Speaker 3:We keep on seeing robberies, though like out there over there on that side. Especially a lot, a lot Niggas be hugging the prince and me.
Speaker 1:Next thing you know they done won the fight, alright yo that's another problem with boxing, though too I was gonna say that what y'all think could change that like as far as robberies go in America, not Saudi, nowhere else in America.
Speaker 2:Right, you gotta put the scorecards after each round. So like a scoreboard, like the whole, the whole America, right.
Speaker 3:You got to put the scorecards after each round, so like a scoreboard, like the whole, all the judges put their scores, so you in a fight, right, yeah, you in a fight.
Speaker 2:The round ends Boom Right away, like with.
Speaker 1:Kind of like basketball with the score Like five seconds left.
Speaker 2:It's what, it's what 30 seconds.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, you don't really be knowing this.
Speaker 3:Nah, they show them on when you watch it on the TV.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, olympic style. Yeah, you're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, olympic style, yeah.
Speaker 2:So like Kind of like that Like say 30 second rest, say 10 seconds left, right In your rest, right Put the score.
Speaker 1:So you know what the score is and then you get the crowd Like, fuck you, yeah, yeah, that make Whoa. I never thought of that.
Speaker 2:That's crazy that also helps home field advantage, because boxing don't really have. Back in the day, when Lomachenko was Lomachenko, he'd go to MSG. He'd fight someone from New York. You would have thought Lomachenko was from New York. So you need that home field advantage. In a sense, it would give fighters the motivation. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So you need that home field advantage in a sense like, and then even like it'll give. It'll give fighters that the motivation and the desperation they be needing at the end, not knowing that they down on the scorecard. I need a knockout.
Speaker 2:I need a knockout, but you need why, if you, if boxing wasn't rigged, if boxing wasn't rigged, why can't you do that? Right? Why, when it's a close fight, it's the same program to the end of each fight, right? Yep, serrano, katie Taylor, too right, it's a close fight.
Speaker 3:Really close fight right Two fucking robberies, but why?
Speaker 2:do the close fights take so long to?
Speaker 1:add up the same number To bring them small cars, yep, to add up something we can do on our iPhone in two seconds. It's like they look at the score and they'd be like, well, we need, we need this person, and I've seen, I've seen.
Speaker 2:I've seen some shit on lower levels where promoters on Long Island I'm not gonna name names I've seen some shit where promoters walk up to the scorecard and go wow, wow, wow, wow, whisper something, oh yeah, it happened. And that's lower level. It's a little harder now with TV and shit, but on the lower levels, if you had that right, it's simple math. If you score each round like we do at home, right, like me and Willie do at home, why does it take different times for the closer fights? It's the same math.
Speaker 1:Yo being in the game. I mean I can't get in trouble for this, but I'm going to let out a little secret too. It's another short story. This one is a little more you know what I mean A little more spicy, really interesting. But he's so tired.
Speaker 3:Nah, real quick you got to go. You want to hear the story.
Speaker 1:I want to hear the story, but he's so tired. Nah, real quick. It's like yo, it's like you got to go, but you want to hear the story.
Speaker 3:I want to hear the story, but then it's like I'm like ugh.
Speaker 2:My man drives a garbage truck. Bro, we got to stay off the road.
Speaker 1:Yo, let me give y'all this one more right. So back in the days when I was training in Floyd gym, the referees that used to ref Floyd fights used to work at his gym. This is a fact. So now this is a. Oh man, I'm not going to get into too much because my man Will got to go to work. But nah, it's not. I'm not saying it was cheating for him, but all the refs, every one of them that you see reffing Floyd fights, was working out of his gym.
Speaker 2:Now let me ask did they ref the fight he versus Ed?
Speaker 1:Facts. I'm there watching it, bro, I knew it.
Speaker 3:And that's where the show is. Yo, it's a new year, baby. Yo, it's a new year. Yo, we appreciate you. Oh my God, we're going to go viral with this one. I don't want to hear no backlash. This is crazy, yo, a little recap that was a long-ass show. Shout out to the Sparring man it's always too long when he comes through. It's a fucking new year, man, he's boxing heads Always fun.
Speaker 2:Yo Google James, what? What's his nickname? Again, james Wilkins. What's his?
Speaker 1:nickname again, bro, crunch time, crunch time yo Shout, crunch time, yo crunch. And then just look at the, look at the bro, look at the. Yeah, he look like a killer, bro. Bro, do Willie, look at this real quick.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna pose with him. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:That's the scariest box rec photo.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't want to fight him. He tatted up man.
Speaker 1:You don't want to fight him Like why are you looking at him? All right.
Speaker 2:Yo take my money, man Take my money.
Speaker 1:Crazy guy.
Speaker 2:Yo, we out of here, yo Flats, we appreciate it, appreciate y'all. We were going to have another guy on too.
Speaker 1:Magic Mike, Magic Mike, we're going to do it again, man. Anytime y'all tell me pull up, man, I'm pulling up. I got you, man for real.
Speaker 2:Anytime, seriously, no, you know what? Let's plan something right now. Whatever, let's do it. All right, give us, how about once a month? Let's do it Once a month and we'll try to. It's hard really going to go, willie, we got two minutes.
Speaker 3:I said 10 minutes.
Speaker 2:In closing right. What is you, as the pro, trying to make it? Trying to get that fight? You got the shit going on, right? Yeah, what's your goals for 2025? It's January. What's your goals for 2025? We'll close out with that.
Speaker 1:My goals for 2025, get back active, get back in the ring, get a couple fights. You know what I'm saying. Probably go to the Misfits boxing. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Somewhere I need a big fight.
Speaker 1:Misfits yeah, misfits yeah yeah, yeah, I could get with that.
Speaker 2:Give me a big fight.
Speaker 1:I want to fight MMA. I want to fight some of these MMA fighters In. I want to fight some of these MMA fighters In a boxing ring. Boxing versus MMA yes. In a boxing ring. Yes, okay, boxing versus MMA. I'm starting the war right here. Boxing versus MMA. Okay, that's it.
Speaker 2:The Mad Boxer. David Flash Sparks Follow him. Yes, sir, he said he's bringing the Mad Boxer back. Yes, sir, he said out, he cools out man. Hey man, always a pleasure. We chopped it up long enough. I got a lot of editing to do.
Speaker 1:You're going to take me all night.
Speaker 2:New year, new show. Yes, sir. As for the spa inn. We got some stuff coming down the pipe. We're going to do a little Valentine's Day ticket giveaway, I think Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah Right, valentine's.
Speaker 2:Day ticket giveaway. I think, right, yeah, right. Again, we did one before Someone won. It was actually a friend of mine, so it looks like a scam, but it wasn't. It was fucking fair. But, that being said, we're going to try and give some tickets away and we ourselves, as podcasters, are going to try and be a little more active. Also, to another thing that Willie and I talked about, and you could come with us. Actually, we might need you for protection To the fight, no, but you can come to the fight with us.
Speaker 1:I was hyped.
Speaker 2:Let's vlog the fight, bro. Yeah, no, you can come to the fight anytime, but we're going to Brooklyn for the tank fight, right? Oh yeah, I'm there for sure we're actually hitting the streets.
Speaker 3:We're going to hit the streets. I'm with y'all, man. We're going to hit the fight, god, I'm with y'all. We want to go in the fight, but I don't think we can afford that fight.
Speaker 1:I'm with y'all yeah yeah, yeah, come through.
Speaker 2:I was actually going to speak to you about that. Yeah, let's do it, because we're going to do some street interviews.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's do it, bro Boxing knee job.
Speaker 2:No, but we are, we are gonna. We are gonna be donating Some stuff to some gentlemen. We'll talk about that. Off air Willie. Happy birthday, willie, you piece of shit.
Speaker 1:I didn't mean to say that Wait but 96, 96 Shipping Henny and for more and talking shit. What.
Speaker 3:All the time. All we do is talk shit All day.
Speaker 2:That's a blessing. That's right there. Happy birthday, willie. We're gonna go to the first ever break and then we're gonna get it going again, alright.