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Willie took a sick day so I had some fellow boxing content creators pop in to fill the void. Tune in to explore the latest boxing events, rising stars, and the thrill of live fight nights. We preview Navarrete vs. Valdez 2, Richardson Hitchins chases the belt as well as Shakur Stevenson's anticipated matchup, our conversation digs into the intricacies of the sport. Whether it's the challenges of attending expensive live events or dissecting fighter performances, we cover the exhilarating and ever-changing boxing landscape. Listen in for insights on promising fighters, unexpected outcomes, and the fandom experiences that make boxing a spectacle like no other.
It's time for the main event. It's the Sparring Podcast.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's a waste management guy and works real late so he had to get some rest. I woke him up like two or three times, but I'll let him introduce himself to you. He's also a fellow, I guess, podcaster, instagrammer, content creator. I guess that's what the cool kids say. Go ahead, sir.
Speaker 1:Hey, what's going on, Puma? Yeah, alejandro Correa, I'm with Squared Circle Report, so you'll find me on Instagram and on the YouTube.
Speaker 2:That'll be Squared Circle Report official on YouTube and I just met him through Instagram and YouTube and all those other social media things, and this is what I'm going to start trying to do is just getting all the other fellow guys in the content creation world. Every time I say that, I sound like I'm talking about an OnlyFans. No, we do not have an.
Speaker 2:OnlyFans. But we're just going to chop it up about all the fights. I'll let you tell a little bit about yourself, how you got into it, and then we'll just get going. We have an awesome fight weekend coming up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, looking forward to it. We've got Matt Trum and the top-ranked fights. But uh, matt, true man, the uh top rank fights, but no, just a big fan of boxing and always watching them with my guys and stuff and just, uh, always chop it up and talk about it all the time. I said, might as well put it in, uh, put it out for everybody you know exactly Same thing here, same thing here, and and I've boxing.
Speaker 2:Like it's crazy, I never. I just drink and talk boxing and like, look, I know this guy's talking about it yeah, that's what I told the.
Speaker 1:Uh, the wife, I'm like, I'm like boxing fans are something different and we, uh, we just click man and we find each other and it's a great community. And the fighters are dope as hell, the trainers, everyone's like pretty much with um open arms, you know.
Speaker 2:So I, I love that also you would think too, like fighters would be like the as far as like fame goes and and being a-holes that they wouldn't talk to you. They're fighters, you know? Like why would they? Like we're, we're peasants to them, but no, it's like the total opposite, like just with open arms, always fan friendly right, I was, uh, a while back.
Speaker 1:I was in atlantic city and uhul Marquez was there. So I was talking to him for a little bit and someone jumped in. They're like hey, man, do you mind if I get a picture? He's like yeah, for sure. And I asked him hey, does that get old? He's like never, man. He's like you're respectful, you talk to us.
Speaker 2:He said 90%. Of the time he's like he's like it's just, it's all how you come up to him and shit.
Speaker 1:So it's great, it's great. And who is your favorite fighter for? Uh, for my section of fans, all five of my fans fighting, fighting right now. Uh, yeah, active, active.
Speaker 2:Uh, I was, uh, gervonta davis oh man, I wish my guy willie was here.
Speaker 1:I'm a huge, uh, uh, gervonta davis fan, uh, crawford, I mean there's a lot right now. Obviously, uh, canelo, he's, he's, uh, he puts on exciting fights and um, anyway, of course, man, I, I hope he fights in the states, I, I'll be sure to make it if he comes over to the states. You got to see him. We'll probably uh once and one and done, you know so at um, whose fight was it?
Speaker 2:where was? I was at the hulu theater. I think he was going to see shu shu, but he was there with top rank I. I bumped into in a way like in the house, I just turned around and he was right there. I actually got on espn. He like looked at me and like smiled, like get this guy away from me it was great. It was great to see.
Speaker 1:I was like oh shit but they were saying, you know, it was a rumor that people didn't recognize them. Was that true? Or people recognized them?
Speaker 2:you were there in in the in the state. Like you know, boxing fans are all. They all know who everyone is, so like it's a very like niche market of fans. They all knew right. But I'm sure, like outside no, because he just looked like a regular guy but as he was getting ushered through the crowd, everyone's like anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah I got you, I just turned around and was like, oh damn, oh my god, that was crazy, but it was cool to see. For me, though, speaking that you said, obviously, canelo. I'm a big tiafimo lopez fan.
Speaker 1:Everyone always hears me talking about it and he, um, he just signed with reynoso, so that that's good to see yeah, I, I'm, uh, I'm excited, man, that's gonna be a, that's a huge wrinkle and, uh, that's gonna make some noise for that division.
Speaker 2:Now you know, so he's like one of the first out of this era of father-son combos that actually did that. And I always say there comes a point where, while father-son training, trainers and trainees are great, you gotta like step outside the box and, like you just said, put another wrinkle in it and that's a huge one and uh, yeah, he got one of the top uh trainers.
Speaker 1:He didn't mess around, you know I'm super excited for that.
Speaker 2:I'm super excited.
Speaker 1:Yeah, teo senior has to respect that too, because he comes with the all the accolades and, uh, you know, awards and everything. So he knows what he's doing and what he does, obviously, and also it works. So teo Sr has to.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean respect that and it's so good for Tio himself because, like with that respecting, you know a father and son, as you get older, your, your dad I don't want to say gets dumber, but gets like you're like shut up, dad, shut up dad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, right, he could tell you the same thing, but you're gonna listen to the other guy.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly and so this is perfect. It doesn't get much better. So I'm excited about that, but also we'll just get right into it. Speaking of Tiafimo, of course I always bring them up, but we have Liam Parrow versus Richardson Hitchens, a guy that's been very vocal about getting his chance and shot at Tio. Who do you got in this fight? Why, when, how, whatever, go ahead, take it away whatever, just go ahead, take it away.
Speaker 1:Um, I like uh paro. He thought he's a smart boxer the way he fought uh matisse tis, you know, in his backyard and um, kind of took him to school. Man, I didn't see that coming.
Speaker 2:No, that's a huge biggest.
Speaker 1:I lost a lot of money on that yeah, you guys are pretty solid on the beds too, man. Thank you, thank you. We don't get enough credit for that man. We don't get enough credit for that man.
Speaker 2:We don't get enough credit. We only post our wins, though.
Speaker 1:Like Mayweather.
Speaker 2:Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, he just won the belt, hitchinson, I like him too. Two undefeated fighters it's going to be entertaining.
Speaker 2:But I'll give Paro the slight advantage just because he had the bigger win over, uh, um, matthias, yes, in his hometown. So that one shocked me because I, I really I thought matthias was. I had him as the only guy that's going to give my guy to your problems just by his style and his power and everything.
Speaker 2:but then this guy comes in and you know he uh it, he still paro, still got hit with some stuff, he still he still was taking some hits and that's kind of what he did. He weathered the storm. I just think, style-wise this fight's so different. Like to me with no disrespect to Richardson Hitchens, I like him. He's a New York guy, brooklyn guy. I always want all the belts in New York. He's just like, I guess, a Shakur Stevenson that you ordered from Timu.
Speaker 1:You know, like a.
Speaker 2:I guess a Shakur Stevenson that you ordered from Timu. You know what I mean. I don't mean that disrespectfully.
Speaker 2:I don't mean that disrespectfully, I mean it like his style and everything is like kind of like a Shakur, just not as crisp and good as Shakur, yet I I kind of feel like he just bit off a little bit more than he could chew, but at the same time, style wise, I'm a little conflicted because Paro doesn't really have the power that he's used to Stevenson. Like his last fight, he got hurt. He even said it. He was coughing up blood, right. So I don't know. I'm a little confused here. I'm definitely betting the over, though.
Speaker 1:The over. Yeah, and he's going to come with more of the momentum too. So he's got the belt, he's defending the belt. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's talking a big game, which most Brooklyn cats do. I just hope it's again. I'm a little confused here. The thing that's throwing me off is you saw the only opponent. Not the only opponent, but the opponent they have in common, what Keyshawn Davis did to him.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:His last fight, and look what Richardson Hitchens did in that fight. So is he ready to take that leap yet? I guess Parrow is the good guy for us to see that, because he doesn't really possess much power. Parrow Subriel's not known for his chin, and he was hitting Subriel with pitter-patter.
Speaker 2:Right, but he couldn't stay in there too long either, though, with him, because he was the boogeyman of the division before that, you know I mean I'm also rooting for for hitchens, because at 140 that just sets up with the way he talks and the momentum and everything and and I think the business side of it, uh, the zone and all them, they want hitchens to win because of his mouth right sometimes your mouthpiece could win fights for you if they're close kind of. Saw that in his last fight right, right.
Speaker 1:And then um, frank martin moving up to 140 also. So is it 140. Is the uh gonna be the new uh 147 from like 10 years ago? You know exactly exactly getting all the all the fighters up there.
Speaker 2:The only problem with martin is like the pbc is just they stay in house. It's very, very rare they come out to play.
Speaker 1:Right, right. I mean, if the belts are all out, they're going to have to, you know.
Speaker 2:At some point, I guess. But that's my biggest thing, with Gervonta too. And finally, you know he's fighting again and there's so many better fights. If they just branched out a little bit that I think Gervonta could win. Like, look at Paro versus Gervonta, who do you got?
Speaker 1:there Right, right.
Speaker 2:Even at 140.
Speaker 1:No, it's like Right, no, catch weight or nothing like that you know, oh shoot.
Speaker 2:So we got another guy from the content creation world. He doesn't really need an introduction, he's actually kind of famous. What's up man, what's up man.
Speaker 3:What's up, brother?
Speaker 2:Can you hear me? You guys hear me, yeah, yeah, we hear you yeah we got you. Punchlines Boxing one of the funniest Instagram handles out there. I actually have a bunch of questions for you, but before we get there, we were just talking about he's watching football, clearly.
Speaker 1:We were just talking about it's all good.
Speaker 2:We were just talking about this week's fight with what's his face, paro and Hitchens, who you got, how and why.
Speaker 3:Probably decision.
Speaker 2:It's definitely decision. I think so too.
Speaker 3:He's got power like that Great boxer. I mean too, he's got power like that Great boxer. I mean I forget the guy's name. He got pushed by that one guy. He had a hard time with him, but Paro, don't fight like that. No, no, he's good, but I actually don't think Hitchens is going to have a hard time.
Speaker 2:I actually don't think Hitchens is going to have a lot Like. I think Hitchens is going to just I don't want to say put on a stink fest, but just put on a back foot jab, stay away and just kind of win that fight.
Speaker 3:Kinda is just a less talented version of it is when Shakur fought Valdez.
Speaker 2:So I just said before you popped into my guy Alejandro over here, he's also with squared circle report, right, how? You doing man um nice to meet you he I just said that I was like he's kind of Stevens to me, is kind of like a Shakur from Timu, you know what I mean. Like he's there but but not there. And yeah, I don't. I don't see, I see him winning, cause the money's behind him. That's what they want. But I, I'm not going to lie, I'm ready for your memes about it, that's for sure.
Speaker 3:And dude, I don't know, it's probably going to be crappy. Uh, paul, paul from Puerto Rico, but Hitchens is just yeah, matias Hitchens is just great boxer, but yeah, it's gonna be watching that style.
Speaker 2:But I just don't like how, because, like, if Hitchens just boxed I'd enjoy it, but he talks like he's a killer, like I'll fuck you up I'll fuck you up and then I don't know yeah, yeah, that's kind of like I like I just said too, before you popped in, I was like he's kind of the money's backing him because at 140 he's going to talk himself into a promotional masterpiece. Like him and my guy Tio, imagine that. It would just be insane, full of nonsense. But I mean, hey, it's a good weekend for boxing anyway. The better fights, I guess, are on the ESPN card. I got to ask you, though, what's your first name? Again Punchlines. Hold on, you broke up. Say that again. I can't hear you. I'm just reading lips. No, you broke up. Say it again. I can't hear you. I'm just reading lips. No, you're silent. It's the AirPods. There you go. That's better. I hear you now.
Speaker 3:You can hear me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now I hear you clearly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I'm sorry, I think it's my AirPods, bro, they'd be fucking up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you were going to say that my name's Shane Shane. Yeah, applause, bro, they'd be fucking up. Yeah, my name is shane shane. Yeah, that's right. Um, so I, alejandro doesn't. He doesn't follow you yet, but he's gonna. And I warned him. I was like I don't know what we're gonna get. You know, I don't know if he's uh, he's gonna come in with his rated x mentality or what I have to ask you usually chill on podcast. Usually.
Speaker 3:Not all the time, but usually.
Speaker 1:That's good. Depends on the topic, right? Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3:It's funny, though, like I used to do a podcast, and you guys know who Sammy Vasquez is.
Speaker 2:Sammy Vasquez no.
Speaker 1:I'm not familiar with him? No, me neither.
Speaker 3:He fought Felix Diaz back in the day and actually his last fight was against luis calazo. Okay, on pbc and I I just I interviewed him one time and I don't know how he got on the topic, but it was like politics and he was talking about. He's like yeah, I got a friend, a couple you know, the wife's a republican, the husband's a democrat and I'm like whoa, you know, they're into pegging and he was like what the fuck? I was like, okay, I should probably chill out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, like I said, anything goes on this podcast. We'll keep it PG for now. But I do have to ask you like, because you post some vicious, I guess, memes or gifs, whatever the hell the cool kids call them, and they're instant memes. Um, has any like fighters ever dm'd you like yo? Come see me yo no, actually they're.
Speaker 3:They're pretty cool about it. Um, because, like I don't, I even. Uh, when I went down to vegas in may, I stopped in the dlx to say what's up to shushu you know because I'm cool with shushu and everything yeah, he's a friend of the show here too.
Speaker 2:He's great guy. I'm sure have you met him, alejandro I have not, no, because he's always around new york and stuff he's. He's also, like we said before, great with the fans, like you just walk up to him and it's, it's good to go.
Speaker 3:But what would you say? Yeah, he's super cool dude, it's awesome and uh. But he was telling me he's like bro, you're crazy, how like you don't hide your identity, like you know, you keep yourself out there and I'm like, well, cause it's you know, I'm not like that Ray Jackson guy on Twitter where I'm just shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause I want to like it's.
Speaker 3:It's comedy. You know, like every fight weekend somebody is going to get made fun of. Yeah, so it was like uh, I think the I do that like I kind of have some sort of respect because, it's like you know, I'm not just hiding behind the screen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know who I am, and then the fact that you know I get a lot of fighters sponsored and stuff too, you know it's like, yeah, it kind of helps me out a little bit, but there's gonna be, I swear to god, if Keith Thurman or Edgar Berlanga ever sees my shit they might have something to say about it.
Speaker 2:I just, I just met Berlanga recently at the last fight. He's cool as hell, nice guy, but I've been a critic of his too. I was a little shook. I dapped him up and I'm like, oh man, luckily I'm not popular, so he didn't recognize me, but it's good to go. But it's all good, bro, you post, you post the funniest shit, like, and it's instant, like you got to look at his stuff, stuff. It's literally I'll be watching the fight. You know, everyone scrolls through instagram or whatever, like we said, only fans. And you're going through, you're going through, and then I'm like, how the fuck? I didn't even see it yet, I'm delayed, and he's already posting about it.
Speaker 3:It's crazy yeah, dude, it's. It's hard sometimes because I'll be like I just get into a zone, because when I I I kind of pre-plan it too, because we know the storylines to these fights going in right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So it's like I kind of know which way I'm going to like, oh, if this guy loses, I can do this or I can do that. But it's getting in that mode of thinking of stuff as soon as something happens. I don't know, it's just certain things come to my mind and it's like I just run with it as quick as I can.
Speaker 2:It's good. It's good, You're good at what you do. It's actually awesome. You got to check them out. You're going to. You're going to be like what the hell, How'd I?
Speaker 1:miss it?
Speaker 2:Check it out it and then, damn bullshit, worry about it later. Uh, do you get just one more question about that and then we'll get back into the fight. So just do you get shadow banned a lot and stuff, because I know I do, yeah, because some of my stuff, even because of the memes.
Speaker 3:No, no, because the arguments that I get in with people like, like, not even on boxing pages, like I'll just be on, like, like I'll be on my punchline account, you know, like I'm a jaguars fan for football so I get a lot of shit for that. Yeah, so I'll just be in arguments over football and I'll just be like, oh, shut up and then boom yeah, yeah, that's, that's you, that's like the key three months now. Yeah, there is.
Speaker 2:There is trigger words out there, so we'll just get into the next card, I guess the Arizona card. Do you guys know is there anything else on the undercard of the DAZN card that's worthy, or is it just Parrow and Richardson-Hitchens?
Speaker 1:I just see Mark Castro on there, but I didn't see too much. I don't have it in front of me probably versus nobody again yeah, that guy loved it, I was slow, didn't he?
Speaker 2:yeah, he looked really good in his last like one or two fights I remember, but he took a l I think before that and he bounced back. But they were like kind of giving him like the top rank treatment and just riding him yeah, giving them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they were putting them on all of those canelo cards. They were pushing him up, uh, pretty, pretty quick, and then he had that one bad fight and then they slowed things down again. So I don't know, we'll see that's kind of how.
Speaker 2:That's kind of how like I feel could happen with hitchens and power. I just think he's gonna fight his fight because he is it is a champion. At the end of the day, he's fighting for a belt. We'll see what happens. I think paro out of the the grouping at 140 was the easiest choice.
Speaker 2:But enough about that guy way easiest, yeah, super easiest I was just saying to him too, like I don't know how gervonta didn't just jump up to 140 and take that belt real quick, um, or any of the guys honestly, because they must see something in hitchens too, though, that he has a power, has a shot to to defend his belt versus him, because he's fresh. But another fight I'm excited about on espn out of arizona is that where you are, or no, you're in. Where are you, sean me?
Speaker 1:shane, my bad, yeah, my god. No, I live in boise I don't.
Speaker 2:Oh, idaho, damn, yeah, uh, damn. Who would have thought all those famous memes and stuff coming out of idaho?
Speaker 3:I ain't from here, bro. I'm just going to school here. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:I was like this place, there's not much over there. Um, so we got emmanuel navarrete versus oscar valdez too. I'm excited about this one. The last fight was super exciting. Valdez's eye closed rapidly, super quick, and I guess Navarrete hurt his hand, but he was still throwing. I I'm as a betting man and and you know, I'm always gambling and that's why I'm broke but I'm taking I'm backing Navarrete in this by KO TKO. I know it's going to be a lot of plus money and it will be hard two Mexican warriors going at it. What do you guys think?
Speaker 1:I got a leaning towards Valdez. I can see why you're picking Avarete, but I'm thinking Valdez and also how top rank likes doing them trilogies, man. So, you know, I can see him winning and they run it back. He don't win that one. There ain't too much more for Valdez, I don't think you know, and he big fights at that.
Speaker 2:I know the money is backing Valdez. They want to make like a freaking documentary on him. They love him and I don't mind him too. He's tough.
Speaker 2:But, I just think Navarrete, after coming off a loss when he moved up, is just all wrong for him. Those lunging punches, whatever the hell, I don't know. He has that stretch Armstrong uppercut from nowhere. It's just all wrong for Valdez. I think Valdez is too war-torn. He's been in grueling camps, he's been beat up, he's beaten guys up, but he's always taken a lot of hits. It's just like he's like a Honda right now. You know what I mean. You. He's like a Honda right now. You know what I mean. You think he's done, done, done. Then he gets that little spurt with whatever they call it, that VTEC shit, and then he gets one little fucking engine rev and then he's done again. So I think the end is near and Navarrete is not who you want to fuck with.
Speaker 1:That's true. He got the length and the height advantage on him. I think he's plus 200 as Valdez that's a good bet, I guess. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2:I'm sure Navarrete TKO KO is going to be plus money too. I'm definitely putting on that. What?
Speaker 3:do you got Shane? Yeah, I mean, the last fight was entertaining, but Oscar didn't look good. All he kept doing was that he was just trying to land that money left hook. That's the only thing he was trying to do. He didn't seem like he had that great of a game plan. And then, who did he fight in his last fight, though? Australian kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he got the stoppage, but he also didn't look that great.
Speaker 3:No, he was getting tagged, he was getting hit, and that dude, that dude ain't very good. He hits hard, but his technique is terrible. I just think yeah, not only do I think Navarrete could get the TKO, but I think it could be kind of like what we saw out of Sonny this past weekend. I think Oscar could get stopped on the stool between rounds.
Speaker 1:And he could just be like fuck this, I'm done.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like, what else is there for him to do, bro? You know what I'm saying? It's not like he's going to fight Tank. You know nothing.
Speaker 1:Right, that's what I'm thinking. I mean, I can't see him making too much of a new wrinkle in his game at this point, you know. But, like you said, he got the love that it can land. And then, I know, top rank would love a trilogy in-house money and Mexican versus Mexican if Valdez does pull it off. But that's the only reason I'm going that way and it's like good money to put down if he pulls it off.
Speaker 2:I think he's. So I did find, like when I was previewing because I'm gonna blow all my money on this fucking fight because I'm an idiot but I I did see like it when he went to the body on um navarrete, navarrete was hurt like he. He did not like that, he did not like those body shots and I mean they were rare, but the ones that did land he, he winced every time, every time he went to the body. So if valdez goes in with that game plan, I think he has a shot easier said than done with long ass freaking navarrete. But I mean that I hope he's training that way and thinking that way, because because if he's able to to do that early, I think he has a shot to land that hook. But like you said, uh, shane, I, I agree, I I don't think he'll quit on the stool like that, like sunny that was. That was pretty, pretty weird. But he, his corner, might quit for him, I think. I think that might be something we see, no shot.
Speaker 2:Uh, mexicano is quitting on the stool though. That's not nice, but never ready is soft to the body too yeah, like dude he was I. I looked it up, I was like looking at what I'm gonna bet. So I'm just, you know, chopping through the fight, chop. And I'm like dude, every time this guy gets hit by him to the body, he's like oh, but it's like you have to get.
Speaker 2:you have to get close to hit him to the body and then he throws an uppercut from his butthole and you're like what the fuck yeah?
Speaker 3:He throws that shit like fucking Marge Simpson dude. Yeah, it lands on like top competition. It's crazy. I'm like what the fuck is it from? Like hella, far away too like the one thing they tell you, like don't throw an uppercut from too far away. He's like, bro, I'll throw it for you then fucking yeah he's.
Speaker 2:He's in the corner throwing uppercuts like just fucking it's insane.
Speaker 3:It's not like he's crazy fast with it either.
Speaker 1:No, you're right, you're right that's probably what throws everybody off is how slow it's.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know yeah, it's so weird he like telegraphs it and then like throws it at that weird angle and it still just cracks, motherfuckers it is insane but he's always in exciting fights, even with with some losses yeah, yeah, it will be entertaining For sure.
Speaker 2:It will be entertaining. And then the card. Before that is another rematch Espinoza versus Robesi Ramirez. Speaking of Shushu, I know Shushu and Robesi spar a lot, or at least they have sparred a lot they have.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I honestly think Robesi's going to take this one. I'm actually going to bet this KO TKO too, because in that last fight, the stoppage, he didn't like. Yeah, robesi got knocked down in the 12th, but it wasn't like a thudding shot that knocked him down, it was just volume. He was dead, tired and he just got outvolumed. In all respect to Espinoza, I'm not taking anything away from him. All respect to Espinoza, I'm not taking anything away from him. But Nah, fuck that guy. Okay, all right, there we go. Did you lose money too? Because I did no bro.
Speaker 3:So you know, adams, the boxing shoes, mm-hmm. So, espinoza, yo best best.
Speaker 2:Real quick. I'm going to give them a plug. I know they're your boys or whatever, but the best boxing shoes I ever had, because I'm 230 pounds, I swear to God.
Speaker 3:It's like walking on air and they're great yeah they're so good that Espinoza started his own company and copied the mold. Really, yeah, watch, look it, I'll show you, I'll send you pictures after this.
Speaker 2:He has his own shoe company.
Speaker 3:It's the same ones that Williams and Pater wears. It's the same exact shoes as ours, except they put two extra straps on it. That's it. But if you look at it, it is because he he was going to be sponsored by us and he went to the factory toward it.
Speaker 2:Look at the shoes and everything and then all of a sudden, he had his own shoe company and oh shit, yeah, we're putting the house on robessi. We are putting the house on robessi. We heard it here first adam. They got great socks too. I bought two pairs of shoes. They always send me a little pair of socks, Great socks. Shout out to this sock.
Speaker 3:Have you tried the sauna suit yet, or the joggers or anything?
Speaker 2:No, I'm not, I'm just fat I box. I just keep wearing it. Stay where I'm at. I'm just fat I box. I just keep it where it is, stay where I'm at. But, fight-wise, aside from his shoe choice, what do you think, alejandro?
Speaker 1:Who are you backing Robusty?
Speaker 2:same reason Going for the not the shoe but going for the knockout. I think so too. I think he's going to come in timid, which is because he did get knocked down and you know he didn't like that. He, he showed, he showed, he came back and got a knockout. His last fight, um, and Espinosa is not that like good. Uh, I mean he, he didn't look that good against Rebessy, he just was Rebessy, I took him lightly and came in out of shape or something, cause it was just weird. I mean, I don't even, I don't even know, but I don't know. You think Shushu has and Robesi ever have a.
Speaker 3:I know they're friendly, but they're cool, but they would fight yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, I think, I think Robesi would be a better matchup for Shushu than his last fight. Not his last fight, not the Mike Tyson crap, but at MSG that guy was tough. Oh, the African dude yeah, yeah, he was tough. Yeah, that guy's good though. Yeah, he's like a high-risk, low-reward fighter.
Speaker 2:Yeah everybody was Shushu's smart too. Shushu's smart, like when he spars with somebody, he sees things. His ring IQ is crazy. I don't know what happened in those sparring sessions, but I think Robesi Shushu easy to make on ESPN. So, that being said, I think ESPN is kind of Back in Robesi, even though he has frosted tips hair. But who cares? It's kids these days. It's what they do.
Speaker 1:I'm here for it back in Robesi even though he has frosted tipped hair.
Speaker 2:But who cares? It's kids these days. It's what they do.
Speaker 3:I'm here for it. They got Angelo Leal too. That's also another fight that can happen between any of them. But you know who Espinoza reminds me of? Just because of Not tit for tat. But he's a lot like Jarrett Hurd. He's just bigger than everybody else, he's got a great gas tank volume when he needs it, but, like at the end of the day, his skills just aren't as good as everyone else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, even in that fight versus Robessi, though, he was like switching like crazy, but bad Like it wasn't. He was literally like doing the Ali shuffle when he switched. No, he was literally like like doing the ali shuffle when he switched.
Speaker 3:and now he was getting, like not on purpose, it's probably. Yeah, it's probably. He wasn't switching like boots or like no, no, but he was getting caught.
Speaker 2:He was getting caught, espinoza wasn't like. It's definitely that extra strap. That's why it's that extra strap yeah, I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 3:We'll see.
Speaker 2:It's a tough fight either way, because I think robisi might try to outbox him, to be honest, because he went for the knockout last time, that's what ended up costing him because that's what got him tired, and but I feel like when he got the knockdown last time was was when he wasn't trying to knock him out, you know what I mean, like he was just boxing and then he went for it and got tired. So I feel like Robessi is going to knock him out. I'm going to give a little little parlay. That's my parlay. Anyway, I'm going to go um Richardson Hitchens the over even look yet, but I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3:It's probably like 11.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's probably 11. I'm definitely gonna do that. Yeah, I'm definitely gonna hit it anyway, because I think that's going decision, no matter what. And then I'm gonna do robese ramirez, uh, ko, tko. That'll be my little parlay that I put my whole paycheck on because I'm an idiot you're not doing nothing on the main um of the top ring card the main.
Speaker 2:He said the navarrete, you know yeah, I'm gonna, but I'm not gonna parlay that I'm gonna do a knockout. Yeah, I'm not gonna parlay that just because I mean I'll probably be drunk watching and parlay it anyway. But right now, sober-minded, I'm definitely not gonna parlay that. But piss drunk. I mean I've done a lot of fat chicks, so it happens, oh yeah, anything goes. Then we got some rumors and shit going on. There's all kinds. Xander Zaya is speaking to Top Rank. There's some stuff with him going on with Virgil Ortiz Jr.
Speaker 1:That got canceled. I don't think it was ever done.
Speaker 2:I don't know who's ducking. Who do you think give?
Speaker 3:me your opinions. Well, you can't say virgil's ducking him if he's fighting yeah, he posted that too.
Speaker 2:You saw that he goes like xander kind of called him out and was like, oh, I guess you got a case of the the ducks like boots or whatever. And then he wrote back or whatever. It was like yo, uh, I I'm fighting Madrimov, I'm not ducking he's like.
Speaker 1:I'll come back to you. I'll get back to you. Let me take care of this. That's a tough fight, though that's going to be a good fight man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm a little worried about for Ortiz. I mean, madrimov does get hit, but I love Ortiz Jr. He's one of my favorites to watch, always in exciting fights too. But he is a little. They kind of figured him out. You know what I mean. Like you know what you're getting. There's no like little wrinkle in there and Madrimov is not the guy, or any Eastern European is not the guy. I'm big on the Eastern Europeans Betting wise, always bet the Eastern Europeans over. If they're an underdog, bet the over.
Speaker 3:Every time it hits, Well, just every time it hits Just real quick, like about Virgil, Like he's fighting Madermob. He just fought Bochachuk and the fight didn't happen, but he was signed to fight Tim Zhu last year as well.
Speaker 2:Homie ducks, nobody Yo. He's fighting. What's his name? Bojacek or whatever? Yeah, that's what I said.
Speaker 3:Oh, my bad, my bad I think he's making what's his name.
Speaker 2:Bujacek or whatever yeah that's what I said.
Speaker 1:Oh, my bad, my bad. I think he's making up for that lost time when he was injured. You know what I mean. And his career kind of stalled a little bit with everything he had going on, and now he's like fuck this, I need the big fights, you know.
Speaker 2:It is crazy that resume, even if he loses all those fights, nobody wants to fight that guy he loses those next two, right, it's still an insane resume Like you can't. Yeah, and he's a young, undefeated guy.
Speaker 3:You almost never see that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and when he wanted to fight Tim Zhu, that was when Tim Zhu was undefeated too. You know, yep.
Speaker 3:Before he took the lawsuit. It was after the suit had lost to Fundora, but a lot of people thought it was gone.
Speaker 1:It was lost to Fundora yeah, yeah, but that was the eye incident, or?
Speaker 3:whatever the cut, the cut and I still think Zhu won that fight.
Speaker 1:I think so too.
Speaker 2:I kind of favored Fundora. Fundora, though, if he just didn't bang on the inside like he'd win every fight at that weight, every single fight. But for whatever reason, he's like nah, we're gonna go fight on the inside. It's like I'm like dude, he, he has everything every boxer wants in length and he's like paul williams bro it's just fucking oh, yeah, good paul williams, yeah throwback um what else we got.
Speaker 3:I don't know man, that card though, that whole card. Have you guys even talked about it?
Speaker 2:no, not yet. No, not yet. We can get into that that we got scofield and uh shakur like that.
Speaker 3:Every fight on that card is insane.
Speaker 2:I just went to over my phone and I saw your message. He says bro, I'm actually kind of clean because I was like. He was like oh, I'll be on, I just got to wash my dishes. I was like oh, all right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, dude, I live with a lesbian couple, bro, Like I got to stay clean.
Speaker 2:Really that's a perk, they're both named Chloe too.
Speaker 3:Fucking, wrap your mind around that one.
Speaker 2:They're cool.
Speaker 3:Because you're very outspoken with whatever you're feeling that day. Oh yeah, I am with them too. Like I'll be like that's gay, or like my favorite thing to do is to be like super misogynistic, like not like genuinely, but like just like they know I'm joking because I'll just be like. Because, like I'm like I'm a nine, nine year Navy vet in school and I'm a fucking moron and I'll be like women are so stupid and they're literally an engineer and a doctor At least that's I'm like smoking weed outside.
Speaker 2:That's funny, that's a funny yo. That's like a reality show right there.
Speaker 1:Just cause I know you're going to start blogging that or something.
Speaker 2:That would go uber viral. But yeah, back to that card. What's your favorite matchup on that card? I'll let Alejandro go first.
Speaker 1:The Schofield and Stevenson man. I like how fast they got it made. The dad wanted it, asked for it and they signed, man.
Speaker 2:Has anyone known if they sparred before or anything?
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Because I feel like I know Schofield's originally from New Jersey, like there's no, they've never sparred or anything, nothing like that. Because I feel like they jumped at Shakur quick, like there's a lot of other easier fights and money to be made, but they're going for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm not too sure about it, I don't know, because the dad was uh talking a lot, but I I don't remember. I know for sure. I think he said gervante, they, they sparred.
Speaker 3:I'm not sure about um, shakur, shakur and kind of yeah I feel like that would have come out, because he's had that dude's called out everybody scofield head true, true and they like they go. He goes back and forth with people a lot. I feel like it would have come out by now, but I don't think so.
Speaker 2:Yo Zolai Zhang versus Ajit Kabayel. That's a sneaky good fight as well, because Ajit could box Dude. I like that.
Speaker 3:Remember when you told me I think it was you that was talking to me about that when he was fighting Frank Sanchez, I was like I don't know man.
Speaker 2:Kabayel is fucking good. Yeah, I think I bet frank sanchez that fight. That was wrong again. But before he was giving me, he was uh, alejandro was like yo, you, yo, you guys are pretty good with your bets.
Speaker 3:And I was like, yeah, I only post the wins, yeah I I pick a lot of fights wrong, a lot of fights wrong yeah, I bet with my heart a lot too I was gonna say the same thing.
Speaker 2:That's my problem I'm not gonna lie like though my my losses, and only in boxing, like regular sports, I'm a big degenerate loser. But in boxing my losses are always like two seconds or one round off, and like I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? It's like a plus 800 bet and I'll get one round off, and I'm like losing my mind. Same thing with the, actually, the robesse ramirez fight. I had robesse, uh, the first, the first time those two fought espinoza and I'm like, oh, he knocked him down. We're good, we're good, we're good. And I'm like, yo, what the fuck is going on? What just happened? And, sure enough, majority decision. But yeah, it's eliza versus jake caballo. Because zankabox too. People think he's just this big brute power guy, but he's smart in there. He's probably one of the smarter heavyweights in my opinion.
Speaker 3:He just doesn't let his hands go enough. That's what cost him the Parker fight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I kind of. So I'm a little biased. Zhang trains in New York, I see him a lot, but I I, zang trains in New York, I see him a lot, uh, but I I kind of think he won that. Parker fight Honestly, he with the two knockdowns like it's hard to come back from two knockdowns. He didn't lose. He didn't lose every round that badly from.
Speaker 1:Parker.
Speaker 2:Right. So that that was kind of like a little uh, was that fight on DAZN? I think it was. It was a little DAZN.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a little DAZN.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was a co-main to one of the Fury, and what's his name?
Speaker 2:Oh, was it on that.
Speaker 1:And one of the Enganu. Was it on the Enganu fight?
Speaker 3:Oh, it might have been.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it was the Enganu fight, and that's kind of funny because Zhang's not signed by DAZN. One of them is, and that's why gambling on boxing is hard, because stuff like that happens and I think about all of it.
Speaker 2:That whole card. If it happens something tells me there's going to be something going on Also too. But Dubois versus Parker I mean Dubois still, to me isn't like a really good boxer. He's doing enough athletically to beat these guys, but's not like a legit high iq boxer and joseph parker can stink it up to to win that fight yeah, yeah, but he um got what's his name out of there, um josh, aj, yeah, but yeah, pretty joshua is kind of easy to hit if you think about it like you know don't move his fucking head ever.
Speaker 1:Ever, Ever, he's like I'm AJ, You're supposed to lose.
Speaker 3:It's crazy, though, because in his last two fights against I mean, Ngannou and then Waleen Otto Waleen, yeah, he was doing like pull counters with the right and everything Like he's actually like moving his head a little bit.
Speaker 2:And then it's like he just moves away from it. I don't he's, he's the type two though, joshua. Like when he does get hit and stunned, his whole fucking everything just goes out the window. It's like everything he learned just just goes out. The same thing with the ruiz fight. When ruiz stunned him, everything he was doing went out the windows. He knocked ruiz down and it's like he just has that weird thing like I don't know man, I just I've lost a lot of money actually with Dubois fights because I, um, I don't know, I just never back him. I don't know why. I think we lost Shane, but it's all good, we'll just keep going.
Speaker 3:No, no, I'm, uh, I'm pulling up the fight card.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, okay who's the other?
Speaker 1:uh man, there's someone else. So we got the ortiz fight the uh shakur and shakur fight the main event.
Speaker 2:Obviously, uh, yeah, uh, better be than um bivel my only thing is like with, with the uh, with the saudis, is I hope they, um, I hope they like obviously they just announced this now, but I hope they hit the mainstream American media a little more, cause like nobody knows that these fights are happening outside of boxing fans. You know what I mean. I had one or two dudes just text me like oh man, this is a great card. But they didn't know half the people on it. They just are looking at what everyone else is saying and I'm like yeah, yeah it is. And that's like I've been speaking on it on my show recently because like they're putting great cards together but the crowd is dead, there's no. Like last show I spoke about it Like how do you have Latino night with no drunk Latinos in the crowd? Like you can't do that. That's not okay. It's like sacrilegious right there. But yeah, hey, he's doing the right thing. Yeah, I think we lost Shane.
Speaker 1:No, he's doing the right thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think we lost Shane.
Speaker 1:No, he's here Is he? Oh, I don't see him. Yeah, I can see him.
Speaker 2:Oh, I can't, that's weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I agree with you, Shane. They should have more in the US.
Speaker 2:I think that was me talking. I don't know what's going on. Oh, I can't see Shane. I can't see Shane. I don't know why, but this is Puma speaking. Can you hear him? Is he talking?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's talking. Talking shit too Really.
Speaker 2:I can't hear him. What the fuck? I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1:He's talking though.
Speaker 2:Is he really? What the fuck is going on? I can't hear anything. Hold on, I'm going to end it and restart it.
Speaker 1:All right, he's going to leave and join back, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, that might work All right. What the fuck happened?
Speaker 1:I don't think he left though. Yeah, but no, how'd you see the Butterbee-Bivel fight the first one?
Speaker 2:So the first time I watched it I had bivouac like 100 and again, I always like really really good fights.
Speaker 2:I always watch twice because I'm usually drinking when I watch them, so the second time I get it the second time I watched it it was definitely much, much closer um and you know, I think I think a draw would have been because there's argument yo back, you know, yo, I don't know, I think I left to go look at the fight card to talk about because I couldn't remember all the fights and when I came back he couldn't hear me. Yeah, I couldn't hear you, but he did so, whatever, we're here, all right. He was saying, though what did you think of the Beterbiev-Bivol first fight?
Speaker 3:I loved it but I thought it could be.
Speaker 2:I'm biased because I love Bivol, but I thought Bivol won so yeah, like I was saying, I watched it twice, first time drunk I thought Bivol killed him, and then I rewatched it and I still think Bivol may have edged it out. I'm okay with the draw, honestly, because you can make arguments from both sides, but better be if some of those scorecards were crazy.
Speaker 3:It wasn't, yeah, the one that was in favor of him blew my mind that's.
Speaker 1:That's what throws off the whole card. If everyone was close, no one would say anything bad about it, but when you got a scorecard like that, that's what messes everything up what do you think it's? Everyone talking talking shit.
Speaker 2:What do you think is going to happen in this one? Now Round two.
Speaker 1:I can't see Bivel doing anything different, and so you know what I mean One of them doing anything different? Yeah, it might be a repeat of the same thing.
Speaker 2:I don't think Beterbiev I don't know how to say his name, I always fuck it up but I don't think he's really got much different either. I just think he is going to let his hands go a little more from the get-go and not be so timid. Whatever, it's a great again we're having these conversations, this whole card you could go either way, I guess.
Speaker 1:I'm glad that they're running it back right away too. They're not waiting, or you know what I mean. Someone get injured or older or nothing.
Speaker 2:Real quick too, which is awesome.
Speaker 3:That's what you like to see yeah, and I'm glad because you know, a lot of times when you get fights like that, the winner will be like well, I want to take care of this first, I want to take care of that first and then make like, then we can run it back. Even even biturbiev is like let's run it back right away. So I like that.
Speaker 2:So as a like I was saying before when you left, though, my only issue with, like the saudi shit is and I've been speaking on it a lot lately because it's annoying is, like the crowd noise sucks, there's no hooligans in the crowd, everyone's behaved. And like they don't, they don't advertise enough for, like, the mainstream media of america. You know what I mean. Like like yeah, we all know about these fights and we're all excited, but like like ESPN commercials should have these fucking cards on it. You know what I'm saying. Like they should be in the football games on Sunday nights. Like now, starting now.
Speaker 2:These are great, all-time great fights that they're making, which I'm very happy for as a boxing fan. But if Turkey or whatever, turk Alashik I don't know what his name is but if he wants to really move the needle on the sport, that's what you need to do. Like you need to just advertise these great fights again, as boxing fans, we're super grateful. Why wouldn't we be? But if you really want to get, I want the regular like, I want, like mike tyson, jake paul when I went around the stores and everything, everybody was talking about that fight.
Speaker 2:That's what I wish for these fights yeah and these fights are better than that way, better than yeah unfortunately.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right on that one.
Speaker 2:And he has the money to do. It is what I'm saying. He's got an expendable income. He can do it Like the Tyson-Usyk promo. Did you see that?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was I felt like I had fucking schizophrenia. Yeah, like that's good though, that's what we want, that's what we want.
Speaker 2:I, that's what we want. I thought you made that. I was like oh, they hired him. Oh, fuck Yo. What was that one promo you did.
Speaker 3:Oh, I did the Boots versus Connor Bin one. Yeah, people thought it was real.
Speaker 2:Yo send that to Squared Circle I will.
Speaker 1:His handle.
Speaker 2:Yo, that shit was amazing. I was like, if I'm a promoter I'm going to hire you, because that was really good.
Speaker 3:Have I showed you the Mario Barrios or the Tony Harrison videos? I did. No, I don't think so. I used to do a podcast also. I would interview these fighters on there and I would take clips of audio from it and basically make a movie trailer like that, that's how I got started, the first one I ever did was Mario Barrios. I was like oh shit, I should start doing this.
Speaker 2:You're creative as hell.
Speaker 3:You know what else they need to get rid of on these Saudi cards, dude, is the fucking concerts.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Especially right before the main event. It takes the wind out of the sail man, the whole thing is we've been watching.
Speaker 3:It's not like. It's not like a top rank or a pbc card where, like, if you choose to watch the prelims, you can, but if you're like us and you have this fight card that has eight, nine amazing fights, we're gonna watch all of them. Of course, we've been watching for like six hours. Why the?
Speaker 2:fuck the one that the Terrence Crawford one, where they threw Eminem in there, dude. I literally again I keep saying I sound like such a raging alcoholic I'm not that bad guys, but I'm drinking the whole fight and then they put Eminem in. Now I'm blacked out. I don't remember the main event at all. I got to rewatch it the next day.
Speaker 1:I was at the fight and it just killed the momentum. It was cool because it's Eminem, but it wasn't like. You know. You got your place. If you want to see Eminem go to one of his concerts, fuck all that man. Have a ring walk, call it a day. That's cool man. It just fucks everything up, slows everything down, down and there's too much time in between fights as it is. You know, like we just got to get the cards moving and going.
Speaker 2:Bro, that last, the last card though I know it was off, I knew nobody was going to watch it, really like in the regular boxing world, but it was a great card the latino knight. And then they throw in this mariachi band of like 20 people and nobody's drunk, like nobody, nobody's hammered, there's just a mariachi band of like 20 people and nobody's drunk, like nobody, nobody's hammered, there's just a mariachi band.
Speaker 3:And you see all these dudes like in their attire, whatever their cultural attire, and they're like yeah, dude like they're just it's very odd it's just uh, if you're gonna do it, do it on a car that only has like three or four fights on the main card. Don't do it on these large events. Like the event's already large, we don't need it. It's just yeah.
Speaker 1:like you guys said, it kills the momentum because it's right before the main event usually Was it the last one, didn't they have Missy Elliott or something on it?
Speaker 2:Oh, I think that was the. Was that Fury Usyk who wants?
Speaker 1:to see that. Like no one does it like 2002, you know, Like it's a wrap, man.
Speaker 2:I remember they had Busta Rhymes too, like they had his chair and like they showed it in the beginning, it said Buster. It was like B-U-S-T-E-R are. It's like it's just they're like and they're putting great fights together. So I'm not gonna sit here and hate on him for doing like he's he's literally putting great but I just mean to like move the needle. He's trying to get into like pop culture, and it's just not. Boxing isn't really into pop culture unless you have a mike tyson or the closest thing would be like, like tank is kind of into pop culture.
Speaker 1:But yeah, oh, are you going to his fight in? Uh?
Speaker 2:So I texted my ticket guy, KO Tickets, Jim Boone. He's great for tickets. Shoot him a text, Find him on Instagram and stuff. He's going to see what they give him. He's a ticket broker. I'm going to see if he can get him. I don't like going to fights, though, unless I'm sitting ringside and I know Barclays is going to kill me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It to kill me.
Speaker 1:So yeah, it's, it's almost better on tv, unless you're ringside, it's like alex, are you from out?
Speaker 1:there are you from new york I'm from chicago, oh shit okay, yeah, but I I hit a few uh of the cards I've been to the hulu theater for, uh, it was one time uh when I was berlanga and then um sander was on the undercard and I'd seen teal also on that one. When he fought um him he fought in the big stage. Uh, I can't think of the dude's name, the uh spaniard dude oh, uh, what's his face?
Speaker 1:the like white spanish guy, yeah, yeah yeah, yes, yeah, so I try yeah, I try to hit at least two a year or something. If I get more, that's awesome. But yeah, I try to hit at least two a year or something. If I get more, that's awesome. But yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 2:I try to meet up with some guys and whatever I try to go to every fight in New York, me and my co-host we're going to do like the East Coast, but we have like jobs and money, isn't?
Speaker 1:really expendable. It is an expensive sport to follow man.
Speaker 2:Especially if you drink drink like you don't know what I spend at msg.
Speaker 3:they need to send me a sticker or something because fucking like it is insane um, but yeah, I'm from vegas, so I grew up kind of like being around the fight game. But even even like when I lived in san diego, I would go up to I don't know what they call it now, but I would go to the StubHub Center, the outdoor fights and stuff. But yeah, dude, this shit is just so expensive. Yeah, I haven't been to a fight in years.
Speaker 2:Also, too, I've been to a few fights at Barclays, but I don't know what they do with the tickets, but it kind of looks like they just, if they don't sell out, they'll go to like the hood gyms and they just give out tickets. It gets really. It gets really wild over there in brooklyn from my experiences, and my little bald white ass talks a lot of shit, so I gotta be careful I gotta be careful when I'm out there.
Speaker 2:I gotta know my surroundings, but not if if I get a decent deal or we'll see what happens. I've've been hitting some parlays lately. Maybe I might go to Barclays If I book.
Speaker 1:I'll let you know, yeah let me know.
Speaker 2:I just know Barclays is so overpriced too. It's almost worse than MSG, so it's insane how overpriced it is.
Speaker 3:It could be a good card too, because PBC they're not doing as many cards as they used to, so like when they're only doing a card every few months, it gives them the opportunity to put more names on that card. Yeah, so you might get like a rolly or somebody something on that card, like it should be a decent card, yeah I feel like I think so.
Speaker 2:I just I don't know pbc with their undercards they usually like to to sell their guy. So you know what I mean. There might be some lopsided matches there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like the Canelo Berlanga card, every fight was a mismatch on paper. But at least you got to watch Roley fight. Then you got to watch. Plant fight then you got to watch.
Speaker 1:That Plant fight almost stole the show.
Speaker 3:Kind of plant fight almost stole that stole the show kind of man yeah, that was the best part of the night I actually was supposed to I was supposed to have uh trevor on the show.
Speaker 2:Something happened, or whatever. It was around the election too. It would have been perfect, because he's a big he's a big open trump guy.
Speaker 1:He's a big open trump guy. Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was entertaining man.
Speaker 2:Both of them, both of I thought that stoppage was a little that Caleb fight. I thought the stoppage was. I mean you could have saw it was coming. I mean Trevor was fading, but it was a little premature.
Speaker 1:I don't think that he didn't contest it, though. You know what I mean. I think, he would have got him out there eventually, yeah.
Speaker 2:Caleb, probably a lot sooner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but he surprised a lot of people, trevor, so he's a strong dude like when he fucking put the pistol back in you know that, yeah, that's pretty dope man caleb's another one, though he's like kind of like a backfoot fighter, but he's exciting too. He's always an exciting fight that was cool man, because he switched it up on that fight. You know what I mean he? What he was doing wasn't working and he's just like fuck this man.
Speaker 3:I had to bring it to this guy, it was good when, like when I brought it up earlier, when I when I went to go see shushu in vegas, when, while I was in that gym, he was uh, caleb was in there sparring, uh, kenny sims, a chicago guy yeah, yeah man, he's caleb's a lot bigger than kenny is. I mean, obviously kenny fights at 140. That was a fucking sick sparring session. It's awesome fun to watch. Then we did like six rounds, but it was. It was fun to watch.
Speaker 2:That's sick. I actually met the owner of that gym. Uh, oh, dude, she's so hot, yeah, she's uh she is a very pretty lady. I I met her, though. She's she's cool as shit too. Um, she's a. She's a fan of the uh the podcast, the old podcast she's from queens, I think actually yeah, I think originally yo her gym that gym is awesome, though, because it's like it's just like pros come and rent it out like it's sick. I don't know like yeah, it's tiny too, it's really small on the video they post.
Speaker 3:it looks massive. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, it's tiny too. It's really small On the video they posted it looks massive. Yeah, it looks like it'd be huge, but it's fucking small as shit. It's like you walk in and maybe 10 feet from the front door is the ring. Yeah, it's small. It's smaller than a nail salon. Oh fuck, I'm not even kidding Really, dude they got.
Speaker 2:I need their video guy Cause shit looks massive when I see it.
Speaker 3:It's not big at all. Oh, there's a guy fighting this weekend, young kid on the prelims of the top rank card. I met him at that gym. His name's DJ Zamora oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:He's um, he's got the little like mullet thing going on back there right yeah the shag, yeah my bad no disrespect, shag, not the mullet's like a little disrespectful, my bad yeah well, he ain't from texas.
Speaker 3:Shag is like a texas thing, but it's like, that's what it looks like. He's like he's a filipino kid, but he's been. He's been sparring partners with tank, with shaker shushu, kenny motherfuckers, been at ryan. He's been there with everybody bro, um, he's good, really, really good. Anybody watching this if you want to watch a good young fighter, that kid is is good as shit. Dj zamora really good you got.
Speaker 2:He got signed with the Thanks for Playing shirts, dudes too. Those are your people's too, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm actually because I started following them because I saw their ads on my timeline. I'm like damn, these shirts are dope.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And I saw that they were sponsoring fighters and I hooked them up with Shoo Shoo and got Shoo Shoo sponsored by them, sponsored by them dude, those shushu shirts, go check them out, uh on.
Speaker 2:Thanks for playing the shushu shirt there. I like all their shirts, honestly, but the shushu shirts in particular. They always hit with those. They like they don't miss with the shushu shirt, yeah well, once they saw how good he was, that's when.
Speaker 3:That's when they offered me the spot to get them more fighters, so that's awesome not all of the fighters that they have signed, but damn near all of them are the one like I got them, like mario barrios and, uh, even abel on this last fight against mario barrios, ironically nice.
Speaker 2:Um, they actually they hooked me up with a few interviews too, which was cool, and they sent me like a bunch of shirt, like that's when I'm not, like I'm not a big podcaster, I just fucking drink and do this. I like it, it's fun, this is fun for me. And they sent me a bunch of shirts. Bro, I felt like I.
Speaker 2:I felt like I was donald trump dude I was like yeah, I made it and all my bills are due. I made it, I got a shirt. It's all good, though. Yeah, they'd be cool shit. Dude, who's your favorite fighter shane?
Speaker 3:right now yeah, active oh man, that's tough because I don't know, I like so many um, you know who's coming up for me?
Speaker 2:like, obviously I said earlier, and if you know anything about me, I'm a to sexual, but my, my coming up for me really is bam man. Jesse rodriguez is like hard dog too, bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah like he is climbing quick too, very quick he say, the legend slayer he calls himself.
Speaker 2:That's pretty bad ass he's in every like, nobody his footwork, his, his dog. He got knocked down, got up and did his thing. I hope it happens sooner than later. I know the wait is a little bit mismatched, but Inoue versus him.
Speaker 3:Or even the other Japanese dude.
Speaker 2:Oh Nakatani, I think it is right, yeah, yeah, that's true too. The bad motherfucker. Yep, my only thing with them is like not so much Nakatani but a lot of the Japanese dudes that are nasty. They're only in that circuit. You know what I mean. Like they got to come. That's like my biggest gripe with English fighters is they're always in the English circuit, like yeah, you look great in the English circuit, but come fight. There's a whole world out there guys Whole world.
Speaker 3:Yeah, dude, british fighters look good until they have to fight a Mexican, usually as a gambling man.
Speaker 2:I'd never lose when I bet on a Mexican. Actually, what was the news that just came out with Conor Benn? Who is he fighting?
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 3:Barrios yeah, yeah, he wants to fight.
Speaker 2:Barrios, but I don't know who are you guys backing there? That's tough.
Speaker 1:Ben hasn't looked like Ben, like the destroyer.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you dude, there's a little. I noticed this about, like when and I'm not saying he was, I don't know anything was on everybody's on something, right, but if you notice, whenever someone gets caught, their knockout percentage drops, like they'll still get one here or there, but it drops. If you notice, whenever someone gets caught, their knockout percentage drops They'll still get one here or there, but it drops. Even Canelo, whatever with the tainted steak or chicken or whatever, after he got caught it dropped, his knockout percentage dropped. It's kind of weird to see. And same thing with Ben. I'm not choosing to say I don't know shit, I'm just fucking a fan, but he hasn't been looking the same power wise since the egg gate or whatever the fuck they call it no, he hasn't even been like rocking people, really, huh, not, let alone knocking them out.
Speaker 3:Like at least at least canelo still hurts people and gets knockdowns and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, he's that good, but it's just funny to see even like like I'm a big jarrell miller guy, he's that good.
Speaker 2:But it's just funny to see, even like I'm a big Jarrell Miller guy, he's a friend of mine, he's here and again. I'm not accusing him or whatever, but since that incident his punch output has dropped. It's just funny how there's a little bit of a coincidence if you look in the history of boxing. But again they all have told me things like uh well, like jarrell miller, for example, told me things where, like he's like you think anthony joshua is not on something, like he's just timing it right and has all the money to do it and it is. There is like some truth to that and to me because like, look at that, dude bro, like that there's yeah, there's, there's no way that he's not one of my favorite fighters of all time.
Speaker 3:I still like, if I ever found out he took it, I'd be like yeah, I'm not shocked, and that's kel brook.
Speaker 2:Like oh yeah, yeah, kel brook's another one. Dude, kel brook's another one his special k you know yeah, his whole gym, that ingles gym.
Speaker 3:They're all fucking, they're all dirty.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's yeah right. Enough about the roids. I don't know. What else do you guys want to talk about? We'll close out the show soon. I guess I don't fucking know. I'm a little mixed up. I'm not used to my usual routine with my guy Willie here. He's going to be mad when he sees I got two other guests left.
Speaker 3:Also, boxing has just been kind of slow lately, bro. I don't know if it's because of how big last year was, or what but I feel like the last two months in boxing has just been like.
Speaker 2:I mean, last week was definitely slower, but put aside the Tyson-Jake Paul crap. The Katie Taylor-Serrano fight was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was huge.
Speaker 3:Well, both of the fights between the real fighters on that card were fucking great. Yeah, yeah, the fight.
Speaker 2:before that too, two overrated dudes in my opinion, I wouldn't say they were overrated. I mean, no, Barrios does have a belt. I'll give him that. Just I think. I don't know, I think he's slightly overrated.
Speaker 3:He doesn't really. I mean it depends how like I feel like most people rate him as a pretty good fighter, but not great. He's not going to take over the division. He's not the best champion. I don't think anybody rates him at that, but he's entertaining. And then Abel was put in front of him to be a showcase fight. But if you know anything about Abel, the motherfucker's tough he's a good fighter.
Speaker 1:He was a plus 700. I was shocked by that. They had Abel that low. You know so much money.
Speaker 2:That's where I was going with, like the Barrios and I'm not trying to be like hate on the guy, but like him Abel coming in at plus 700 shows that Barrios was slightly a little overrated, at least for betting odds-wise. You know what I mean. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a little overrated, at least for betting odds-wise. You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, but everyone who knew they knew Abel was going to bring it, though they knew it wasn't. It didn't look like in the first two rounds, don't get me wrong. But then the dog came out and pushed it.
Speaker 3:A lot of that was ring rust too. He hadn't fought since the Crowley fight which was on the Benavidez plant card since the Crowley fight which was on the Benavidez plant card. Shit, he could have rinked for a long time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right. That fight was decent too. Like like matchups matter, Like that was a great matched up fight Put all the other crap aside. Like that was a two Mexicans again Fucking going at it.
Speaker 3:You know his nephew is another guy I'm a big fan of too.
Speaker 2:Ramos.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think His nephew Jesus fucking. Oh yeah, he's the one that beat Spencer, right? Yeah, yeah, he lost to Lubin.
Speaker 3:but a lot of people thought he won that fight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, A lot of people thought he won that fight. Yeah, he like took his foot off the gas on that one man.
Speaker 3:I mean his foot off the gas on that one man.
Speaker 1:I mean he wasn't like what was it? It wasn't a good fight at all, oh, but he, yeah, I seen spencer, I was at that fight and I seen him afterwards and uh, the next day in the uh casino and I'm he was walking around with no glasses on or anything. Man he got, he got beat bad man.
Speaker 3:I was like wow no he had ball because he called for that fight. But man he sure regretted it after that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he just looked like different weight classes, man, the way you know what I mean he just looked. Uh, ramos looked way bigger than him in that fight and he finds so weird.
Speaker 3:He like bends over at the waist like hella, far down, and his hands are down and he's like I don't know they were, they'd like hyped him up before that fight too a little too much in my eyes.
Speaker 2:Joey d spencer he was like he kind of. He was kind of famous on instagram a little bit too. That's how I first heard about him. Like oh, who the hell is this? He was like I think he was promoting his like stories or something like way back when and I was like damn, who the hell is this?
Speaker 1:guy Excuse me.
Speaker 2:And the next thing I know he's in these fights, but when you fight a guy with a last name like Ramos that brings me to my next point is like what about the Vargas brothers, the new Vargas brothers? What's your take on them?
Speaker 3:Emiliano is the only good one.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm hearing everywhere. I mean, obviously he'll fight, he's good. Yeah, he's the real deal. That's what everyone's saying, too, around all the gyms.
Speaker 2:Those three or four? How many of them are there?
Speaker 3:Three yeah three, they're kind of taking over the boxing social media. Yeah, but like I don't know, dude, the other two not so much. I don't know why they're popular, especially the little curly-headed fuck, the one that I can never remember his name. It's not Armando but it's something like that.
Speaker 1:Emilio. Yeah, I'm not sure, we don't even know. Yeah, you're right, I just know them all as the You're right, though Emiliano is definitely saying that right.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 3:They're definitely jealous of their brother. I know that. Yeah, no, for real they are like bad jealous, Like they get salty about it. Really yeah, from what I've heard, Like I have no first-hand account, oh, you just threw the grapevine. Yeah, threw the grapevine from a few people. They're like, yeah, like like they get so mad. It's like the meme, like when the person's like wearing the mask, where they're smiling, but then behind the mask Every time.
Speaker 2:I could kind of see it, that's like.
Speaker 3:But, man, the fight, the fight that I want to happen so bad, and I think we might get it sooner rather than later, is Emiliano versus Abdullah.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Mason, oh shit, Especially with Mason getting a little sparked recently. I think that's going to open the window, Because nobody wanted to touch him before that. But that will open the window to to these fighters coming up now yeah, I was shocked he got dropped twice.
Speaker 2:It was twice right uh, yeah, I think it was twice. I mean, I like the way he bounced back too, though, like before when I was talking about bam, when you get dropped like that and and come back and still do your thing. I think he's gonna learn from that and just, he is fucking, he, he's, uh, he's. You know, he's only like 22, I think, or not even.
Speaker 3:No, I don't even think he's 21. I think he's 20 years old.
Speaker 2:Let me look this up quick.
Speaker 3:I forget him and him are both the same age.
Speaker 1:Yo, yeah, you're right, he's 20 yeah, and at these, at these days now they're throwing the money out, they'll, they'll make the fight. You know what? I yeah, and these days now they're throwing the money out, they'll make the fight, you know what I mean it ain't like before, where they're going to wait it out and stall it, or marinate it, whatever they want to call it.
Speaker 2:I can see the Saudis putting that one together too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think we're kind of past the whole you got to be undefeated phase. You've got to be undefeated phase because it's like the first, like six or seven years after Floyd man, it's like nobody wanted to fucking lose. Everybody was so scared of losing. And then shit, dude, like look at Devin, devin took one loss and it like fucking mentally wrecked him.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, that's his. Yeah, he wasn't ready. Well, it got erased, so he don't got the loss anymore. Yeah, he celebrated't ready. Well, it got erased, so he don't got the loss anymore. Yeah, he celebrated. That was worse. Hey, that man needs a PR team, man, or something, dude, because even the I don't know man. I would have just stayed quiet over the whole thing until this, but like I want the rematch and that's it.
Speaker 2:If Ryan Garcia gets through, whatever he's doing in Japan or whatever, and gets his suspension lifted or whatever, if that fight is monumental, haney Garcia too. Oh, it's huge. That fight is massive, like that's going to break records with all the drama that happened ever. I hope that happens. I heard rumors of that. Haney and Tiafimo were in like heavy talks, like it was. It was people were posting it and like accredited sources were saying it, but I think that I don't trust anything with either one of them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like I've seen so many goddamn fights between Tio and Haney, like none of them ever happened. Same thing with Shakur. Shakur, shakur's finally got one. Yeah, he's finally got one, he's finally got one. But you know how many goddamn fights? Oh, shakur's fighting this guy, shakur's fighting that guy?
Speaker 2:No, never happened. And that's my thing. With this crazy good card in Saudi, it's almost too good to be true, the entire card. Something's going to happen. I don't think we're going to get every fight and it might be the Shakur one.
Speaker 3:That's a good enough fight, though. A good enough card where, because we lost the Virgil Ortiz-Sue card or Sue fight on that Bud card, they replaced it with who was it? Jared Anderson, right and Bacoli.
Speaker 1:Yep, that was good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I think even if we lose a fight or two, there's more than enough that they can find to throw on there. Oh, that's the fight I wanted to talk about on there. I wouldn't say I'm friends with him, but I know him and I'm a big fan of him. But he's got a tough fight on that card and that's Adam adamas versus the shabazz shiraz, whatever his name is the tall british dude that beat the fuck out of ammo williams on the um.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, hazmaz oh, that's on that card too, yeah, yeah yeah, that's a great fight bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm backas. Is it Adamas or Adames? I always say Adames.
Speaker 3:Adamas, carlos, adamas, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think I'm backing him on that, honestly.
Speaker 3:He didn't look good. In his last fight, though, I was upset against Terrell Gachet. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2:I just feel like again Shiraz. He's from the British circuit. Correct me if I'm wrong. Right? He is yeah, the British circuit man. It's good in the heavier weights, but as you start going down, even like to middleweight, it's just not all that. You know what I mean. When it comes comparable, I don't know what it is if it's sparring or what's going on over there. Like I said, I'm only speaking from a gambling perspective, but it's very rare that they fucking do their thing versus an American and definitely not a Latino.
Speaker 3:They get their fucking eye sockets broken.
Speaker 2:It's weird, I don't know, dude. They look so skilled too. As a whole they look slick boxers. There's like some I don't know what to say. There's like some I don't know what to say. There's dog missing. I don't know what the fuck it is, it's just from a strictly gambling perspective I don't know.
Speaker 3:I'm with you, though, bro. I've never seen one country of fighters get the same injury in a fight so many times. It's absurd.
Speaker 2:That is true.
Speaker 3:You got.
Speaker 2:Brooke twice. Yeah, yeah, and different sides yeah, both sides, different sides saunders.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yo, what's did you see, I saw, a picture man.
Speaker 2:I forgot about that yo, I saw a picture of him recently like teaching kids to box in the gym.
Speaker 3:He is big bro, he looks like an sec fan he is big very big eating good after that payday you know, yeah, literally like uh, but yeah, and it sucks too because, like, if he's, if he was able to stay active there's, there was a lot of good fights at 168 for him at that time, even 175, but it's like he's good enough.
Speaker 2:He's good enough to fucking throw some monkey wrenches in the fucking fight in in that weight class like and he can sell. Yeah, he, yo, he is I've heard like through the grapevine his antics like he don't, he don't give a fuck, like at all, like if I guess if if punchlines was a human besides you, it'd be him, because I've heard like the shit he did behind the scenes. It's like he read your, your memes and shit and just went out and did that.
Speaker 3:Well, he walked so I could run. Dude, he was like a legit fighter, though, yeah.
Speaker 1:He was good.
Speaker 3:Like I liked watching him fight too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he, he was, he was. He kind of reminded me of um Caleb plant. Like with he's, he's not boring, but his style, which would be boring. He, whatever he did with that style, would make it not boring.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he, he moved more around, though like he used angles differently than than caleb does. Caleb will move back and then around rather than like billy would move around in the pocket. You know like you're right. But but that was also because he was a southpaw, so it was like easier for him to get around the lead leg. Then yo, he was working.
Speaker 2:That's canelo fight too. Man, he was, he was doing his thing, and then the eye thing. But I was like jesus, you kind of saw it, though like canelo's base, like I don't mean like canelo is girthy, I don't know what he's got between the legs, but like waist down. Besides, between the legs he's. He's fucking girthy dude, he's grounded yeah, he's very grounded dude he, he's sick.
Speaker 2:But yo, we've been talking over an hour. We'll close it out. Shout out your shit guys. Thanks for coming on. Have you on again. Maybe I'll have my co-host here. I'm just going to start doing that. I'm going to start hitting people up on Instagram or wherever and just be like yo, come on, come on, and we'll just chop it up, boxing once a week or whatever.
Speaker 1:Go ahead. I appreciate it. Puma and Shane, it's nice meeting you too. I'll follow yours as soon as I get off of here?
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. Just get ready, just don't bring your kids around.
Speaker 1:They're old enough, they probably hear it worse. It's all right, no, he doesn't pull punches. That right. No, no, he doesn't pull punches, that's for sure. No, but you guys can uh follow me on squirt circle report on instagram and squirt circle report official on on the youtube all right, man.
Speaker 2:Thanks a bunch, shane, go ahead, you don't need to plug your shit. You dwarf us with all your followers, but it's uh just just punchlines boxing on instagram and stuff.
Speaker 3:I don't have youtube, I don't have I'm uh twitter and other, just instagram I don't do, I just do youtube and instagram too.
Speaker 2:I'm on twitter, but yo twitter gets like twitter's weird dude like I.
Speaker 3:I get it's insane bro, like I'm not even, like I've seen so much shit that I don't follow and it's all about like politics, yeah, yeah, and then like things I care about. I never get like hate dms once in a blue.
Speaker 2:I see so much shit that I don't follow and it's all about like politics, yeah, and then like I never get like hate DMS once in a blue moon, maybe, like like a lot of like Gervonta fans message me and shit. Like once in a blue moon, nothing crazy. But yo, on Twitter I post one thing and I don't even I have like five followers on Twitter but I'm getting like a hundred hate mail from like random twitter. But I'm getting like a hundred hate mail from like random and I'm like yo, what it's like annoying. I don't care, I'll, I'll embrace all the hate, but I'm like what is going on.
Speaker 3:this is weird bro, you ever try posting on reddit. No, no, that shit'll make you want to kill yourself. Really, it's great.
Speaker 2:People are fucking dickheads, dude it's great for porn, though when you figure it out, save that comment for a different day.
Speaker 1:All right, y'all follow the podcast, follow all them and thanks a bunch, guys.
Speaker 2:I'll uh, I'll let you guys know again when we come on again. Hopefully my guy willie will be here, but again he's feeling a little under the weather, but we're out.
Speaker 1:Thanks again, guys all right, talk to you guys later. Thank you.